• Unclear new string

    From Helge Kreutzmann@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 23 18:20:02 2021
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    Hello Guillem,
    while updating the translation of the man pages, I stumbled over one
    sentence I could not make sense of:

    "The file mode check failed (since dpkg 1.21.0). This check currently
    only applies to regular files that have a known digest, and on the
    filesystem are not regular files."

    The part after the "and" is unclear. A filesystem without regular
    files?

    Thanks for clarification.

    Greetings

    Helge

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  • From Guillem Jover@21:1/5 to Helge Kreutzmann on Tue Nov 23 22:30:01 2021
    Hi!

    On Tue, 2021-11-23 at 18:16:30 +0100, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
    while updating the translation of the man pages, I stumbled over one
    sentence I could not make sense of:

    "The file mode check failed (since dpkg 1.21.0). This check currently
    only applies to regular files that have a known digest, and on the
    filesystem are not regular files."

    The part after the "and" is unclear. A filesystem without regular
    files?

    Hmm, right when writing that I did pause for a bit thinking whether it
    was clear or not, but I guess my bias tricked me. :) Let me retry:

    The file mode check failed (since dpkg 1.21.0). This check currently
    only applies to pathnames that have a known digest and are not regular
    files on the filesystem.

    If that helps, I'll update git with it.

    Thanks,
    Guillem

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  • From Julian Andres Klode@21:1/5 to Guillem Jover on Tue Nov 23 23:10:02 2021
    Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> schrieb am Di., 23. Nov. 2021, 22:14:

    Hi!

    On Tue, 2021-11-23 at 18:16:30 +0100, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
    while updating the translation of the man pages, I stumbled over one sentence I could not make sense of:

    "The file mode check failed (since dpkg 1.21.0). This check currently
    only applies to regular files that have a known digest, and on the filesystem are not regular files."

    The part after the "and" is unclear. A filesystem without regular
    files?

    Hmm, right when writing that I did pause for a bit thinking whether it
    was clear or not, but I guess my bias tricked me. :) Let me retry:

    The file mode check failed (since dpkg 1.21.0). This check currently
    only applies to pathnames that have a known digest and are not regular
    files on the filesystem.



    Sorry for the phone answer, but as I had to read that three times, I
    figured I'd note that. I think I got it now: There is a conflict between
    having a digest and being an irregular file.

    First I wondered: Huh is this checking digests of such files, this makes no sense? I was like, should this be an or?

    Second I forgot.

    Turn the "and" into a "but" and I think it gets OK. Currently the
    contradiction is not easy to deduct.

    Or write explicitly that having a digest conflicts with actually not being
    s regular file.

    <div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Guillem Jover &lt;<a href="mailto:guillem@debian.org">guillem@debian.org</a>&gt; schrieb am Di., 23. Nov. 2021, 22:14:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="
    margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi!<br>

    On Tue, 2021-11-23 at 18:16:30 +0100, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:<br>
    &gt; while updating the translation of the man pages, I stumbled over one<br> &gt; sentence I could not make sense of:<br>
    &gt; <br>
    &gt; &quot;The file mode check failed (since dpkg 1.21.0).  This check currently<br>
    &gt; only applies to regular files that have a known digest, and on the<br> &gt; filesystem are not regular files.&quot;<br>
    &gt; <br>
    &gt; The part after the &quot;and&quot; is unclear. A filesystem without regular<br>
    &gt; files? <br>

    Hmm, right when writing that I did pause for a bit thinking whether it<br>
    was clear or not, but I guess my bias tricked me. :) Let me retry:<br>

      The file mode check failed (since dpkg 1.21.0).  This check currently<br>   only applies to pathnames that have a known digest and are not regular<br>   files on the filesystem.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sorry for the phone answer, but as I had to read that three times, I figured I&#39;d note that. I think I got it now: There is a
    conflict between having a digest and being an irregular file.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">First I wondered: Huh is this checking digests of such files, this makes no sense? I was like, should this be an or?</div><div dir="auto"><br></
    <div dir="auto">Second I forgot.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Turn the &quot;and&quot; into a &quot;but&quot; and I think it gets OK. Currently the contradiction is not easy to  deduct.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"
    Or write explicitly that having a digest conflicts with actually not being s regular file.</div></div>

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  • From Guillem Jover@21:1/5 to Julian Andres Klode on Wed Nov 24 13:50:02 2021
    [ Hmm, forgot to send this yesterday after the push. :) ]

    On Tue, 2021-11-23 at 23:02:55 +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
    Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> schrieb am Di., 23. Nov. 2021, 22:14:
    On Tue, 2021-11-23 at 18:16:30 +0100, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
    while updating the translation of the man pages, I stumbled over one sentence I could not make sense of:

    "The file mode check failed (since dpkg 1.21.0). This check currently only applies to regular files that have a known digest, and on the filesystem are not regular files."

    The part after the "and" is unclear. A filesystem without regular
    files?

    Hmm, right when writing that I did pause for a bit thinking whether it
    was clear or not, but I guess my bias tricked me. :) Let me retry:

    The file mode check failed (since dpkg 1.21.0). This check currently
    only applies to pathnames that have a known digest and are not regular
    files on the filesystem.

    Sorry for the phone answer, but as I had to read that three times, I
    figured I'd note that. I think I got it now: There is a conflict between having a digest and being an irregular file.

    First I wondered: Huh is this checking digests of such files, this makes no sense? I was like, should this be an or?

    Second I forgot.

    Turn the "and" into a "but" and I think it gets OK. Currently the contradiction is not easy to deduct.

    Or write explicitly that having a digest conflicts with actually not being
    s regular file.

    Ok, I've ended up with this which I've just pushed to git:

    ,---
    The file mode check failed (since dpkg 1.21.0).
    Because pathname metadata is currently not tracked, this check can only be partially emulated via a very simple heuristic for pathnames that have a
    known digest, which implies they should be regular files, where the check
    will fail if the pathname is not a regular file on the filesystem.
    This check will currently never succeed as it does not have enough
    information available.
    `---

    I can refine further if it's still not clear. :)

    Thanks,
    Guillem

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  • From Helge Kreutzmann@21:1/5 to Guillem Jover on Wed Nov 24 18:00:05 2021
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    Hello Guillem,
    On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 10:14:06PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote:
    On Tue, 2021-11-23 at 18:16:30 +0100, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
    while updating the translation of the man pages, I stumbled over one sentence I could not make sense of:

    "The file mode check failed (since dpkg 1.21.0). This check currently
    only applies to regular files that have a known digest, and on the filesystem are not regular files."

    The part after the "and" is unclear. A filesystem without regular
    files?

    Hmm, right when writing that I did pause for a bit thinking whether it
    was clear or not, but I guess my bias tricked me. :) Let me retry:

    The file mode check failed (since dpkg 1.21.0). This check currently
    only applies to pathnames that have a known digest and are not regular
    files on the filesystem.

    If that helps, I'll update git with it.

    Yes, this is clear and I understand this.

    Thanks for the update.

    Greetings

    Helge

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