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Re: AW: AW: su su- sudo dont work

From Greg Wooledge@21:1/5 to Schwibinger Michael on Fri Jan 26 18:50:01 2024

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 04:23:07PM +0000, Schwibinger Michael wrote:

su -
su
or sudo.

Is su -
the best for install?

Whatever works best for *you* is best. "su -" is quite popular.
If it does what you need, and is convenient for you, then there's
your answer.

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From Hans@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 26 19:50:01 2024

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Am Freitag, 26. Januar 2024, 17:23:07 CET schrieben Sie:
Yes, if you want to install soemthing for example by using the apt command, best way is
becoming root with the command "su -" and then install the rquired package.

Example:
su - then enter the password of the user root

If installing for example firefox, first read the repository:

apt update

then install the package

apt install firefox-esr

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Hint: If you want a graphical method and you have no X and Wndow-Manager running (like KDE,
Gnome, XFCE whatever), I suggest using aptitude.

You have to install aptitude first:

apt install aptitude

Then you can start the gui with the command "aptitude" as root.

Hint 2: aptitude is controlled by keypresses without any enter-key.
For example, when started aptitude, just press the "u" key and it reads the update, "U" (Shift +
u) marks all newer packages automatically to be updated, then press "g" and you will shwo,
what it will do. Press "g" again, and it will do the update.

Please note: If you want to upgrade the whole sytem, then using apt or apt-get will be the
better choice!

But aptitude is very well for installing single packages or weekly upgrades, where not much
packages will be renewed.

If you are not much experienced, and you have a window-manager running like KDE, Gnome,
XFCE, LXDE or another one, then look at synaptic. Synaptic is a graphical tool for installing
packages, it is a GUI for apt.

Synaptic MUST run as root.

Hope this helps.

By the way: I believe, you are not very experienced in English language, so I suggest to suscribe
in the fine German forum,
which is debian-user-german@lists.debioan.org.

Here is the link:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/[1]

Good luck!

Hans

Sorry
it was my mistake

It is

su -
su
or sudo.

Sorry.

Is su -
the best for install?

Regards

Sophie

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<body>Am Freitag, 26. Januar 2024, 17:23:07 CET schrieben Sie:
Yes, if you want to install soemthing for example by using the apt command, best way is becoming root with the command "su -" and then install the rquired package.
 
Example:
su - then enter the password of the user root
 
If installing for example firefox, first read the repository:
 
apt update
 
then install the package
 
apt install firefox-esr
 
----- 
Hint: If you want a graphical method and you have no X and Wndow-Manager running (like KDE, Gnome, XFCE whatever), I suggest using aptitude.
 
You have to install aptitude first:
 
apt install aptitude
 
Then you can start the gui with the command "aptitude" as root.
 
Hint 2: aptitude is controlled by keypresses without any enter-key.
For example, when started aptitude, just press the "u" key and it reads the update, "U" (Shift + u) marks all newer packages automatically to be updated, then
press "g" and you will shwo, what it will do. Press "g" again, and it will do the update.
 
Please note: If you want to upgrade the whole sytem, then using apt or apt-get will be the better choice!
 
But aptitude is very well for installing single packages or weekly upgrades, where not much packages will be renewed.
 
If you are not much experienced, and you have a window-manager running like KDE, Gnome, XFCE, LXDE or another one, then look at synaptic. Synaptic is a graphical tool for installing
packages, it is a GUI for apt.
 
Synaptic MUST run as root.
 
Hope this helps.
 
By the way: I believe, you are not very experienced in English language, so I suggest to suscribe in the fine German forum, 
which is debian-user-german@lists.debioan.org.
 
Here is the link:
<a href="https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/">https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/</a>
 
Good luck!
 
Hans 
> Sorry
> it was my mistake
> > It is
> > su -
> su
> or sudo.
> > Sorry.
> > Is su -
> the best for install?
> > Regards
> > Sophie
> > > ________________________________
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From Andy Smith@21:1/5 to Hans on Sat Jan 27 10:50:01 2024

Hi Hans,

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 10:23:09AM +0100, Hans wrote:

I see this exactly as you and are watching this list for may years.

I'm not sure who you're replying to as you've removed those details,
though I may guess from your In-Reply-To header which doesn't point
to a list message. You haven't replied to an off-list (personal)
mail back onto the list have you? Be careful there!

But since the beginning, I had the suspicion, that someone just
wants to make fun with us.

It is hard to understand how what Michael/Sophie/Tobias does can in
any way be "fun" for them, though maybe that is just our lack of
understanding.

Either they are incredibly confused by Linux or they are pretending
to be for reasons beyond my understanding. Whatever the case, I
don't think I have ever seen one of their threads result in a
positive resolution.

It's probably best to not assume that what we don't understand is
hostile and/or an AI experiment. Even so, that doesn't mean it is
possible to help.

Thanks,
Andy

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From Hans@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 27 10:30:02 2024

I see this exactly as you and are watching this list for may years.

However, I wanted not to be so directly because I want not to blame anyone on this list.

But since the beginning, I had the suspicion, that someone just wants to make fun with us.

Aleady from the beginning I checked after the mail adress (please note, I am German myself) and found some theater group behind the mailadress.

So I personally(!) believe, the group is making fun with us, but even then I gave him a chance.

And again I personally(!) (and this is my very personal opinion), I think, nobody is so stupid, that he/she can not do a su or install a package. NOT after 2 years!!!

For me, I will get no help here for this person, just ignore it. This is my very personal decision!

Sorry to say it, but for me personally it looks like fake! Like a morone, like a troll.

And those I can not support, sorry.

Please excuse, I do not want to hurt anyone, just tell, what I think.

Best regards

Hans

I see very similar posts in the German language list from the last two
years but as Tobias Schwibingerr or similar - also signed by a Sophie

When I asked this question some time ago, it seems that the German language list had concluded that this person might be a troll (or even a psychology experiment / AI) :(

Like you, I have attempted to engage - but I think none of us will see
any change - I think the German list pays no attention / may have blocked this user.

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From Thomas Schmitt@21:1/5 to Andy Smith on Sat Jan 27 11:10:01 2024

Hi,

Andy Smith wrote:

It is hard to understand how what Michael/Sophie/Tobias does can in
any way be "fun" for them, though maybe that is just our lack of understanding.

I expressed my suspicion of a "Hurz" performance in
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/05/msg00100.html

Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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From Andy Smith@21:1/5 to Thomas Schmitt on Sat Jan 27 14:00:01 2024

Hello,

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 11:05:30AM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Andy Smith wrote:

It is hard to understand how what Michael/Sophie/Tobias does can in
any way be "fun" for them, though maybe that is just our lack of understanding.

I expressed my suspicion of a "Hurz" performance in
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/05/msg00100.html

Okay, but it seems to me that watching an audience try to take a
nonsense opera seriously is a bit more sophisticated and has scope
for amusement, unlike for example an endless stream of mispastes and misunderstandings about "sudo" and "su".

But I guess what one finds amusing can have a very wide variability…

Thanks,
Andy

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From Andrew M.A. Cater@21:1/5 to Schwibinger Michael on Wed Jan 31 21:40:01 2024

On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 01:58:41PM +0000, Schwibinger Michael wrote:

Good afternoon
I think
maybe Im sure
it is because of rescue mode.

Hi Sophie,

Once again: we need to you to show us what commands you run.

We need to see error messages.

if you cannot run sudo or su, we need you to run the id command
as previously suggested.

We have literally nothing of use from you to help any of us problem
solve. This is throwing good effort away in persuading you to help us.

Also - please address requests first to the list and not to individuals -
it makes it a lot easier to follow on the list.

Normal booting did not have this problem.

Anybody familiar with panic?

Regards
Thank You
Sophie

Andy

________________________________
Von: Andrew M.A. Cater <amacater@einval.com>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. Januar 2024 18:40
An: debian-user@lists.debian.org <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Betreff: Re: AW: su su- sudo dont work

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 03:53:10PM +0000, Schwibinger Michael wrote:

Good afternoon
Why do I have to open a group?

This is to *tell* us information about why you're having problems with su
and sudo

Running the

id

command should give you information like

uid=1000(amacater) gid=1000(amacater) groups=1000(amacater),27(sudo)

which shows you that my user - amacater - is the first user on the
machine (because Debian starts user id numbers at 1000 for ordinary
users) and that I'm a member of group sudo - so can use sudo instead of su.

/etc/sudoers will show you what privileges the sudo user has.
Here are the last lines of the file on my machine (which has not been modified from Debian defaults)

# User privilege specification
root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL

# Allow members of group sudo to execute any command
%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL

# See sudoers(5) for more information on "@include" directives:

@includedir /etc/sudoers.d
(END)

If you are _not_ a user of group sudo for whatever reason - and want to
use sudo - then you will need root privileges and the root password
(once) to add your user name to the group.

For example: adduser sophie sudo

I hope this helps

2 years ago
sudo was no problem.

As yet, we have *no idea* what you have done in the last two years to
break your Debian system - or even to know which kernel you boot or
how you "rescue" your system when you log onto it every day.

Please give us information in order that the readers on this list can
use their knowledge to help you.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy
(amacater@debian.org)

Regards

Sophie

Thank You
________________________________
Von: Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com>
Gesendet: Montag, 22. Januar 2024 00:07
An: Schwibinger Michael <hbss@hotmail.com>
Cc: Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>; debian-user@lists.debian.org <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Betreff: Re: su su- sudo dont work

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 4:07 PM Schwibinger Michael <hbss@hotmail.com<mailto:hbss@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Thank You
Example
I say

sudo apt-get install firefox
Reaction LINUX
This is not allowed we send a message to the admin.

This error message means that your account is not in the sudo group.

Run the command "groups" and look for the group sudo.
groups

Here is the command to add a user account to the sudo group. You will need to run it as root.
usermod -a -G sudo <Your User Account>

I do open root terminal
there its working.
Regards
Sophie

________________________________
Von: Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org<mailto:greg@wooledge.org>>
Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Januar 2024 14:14
An: debian-user@lists.debian.org<mailto:debian-user@lists.debian.org> <debian-user@lists.debian.org<mailto:debian-user@lists.debian.org>>
Betreff: Re: su su- sudo dont work

On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 01:26:06PM +0000, Schwibinger Michael wrote:

Good afternoon.
Root terminal is fine.
What do I do wrong?
What did I destroy?

PC does have only one user=admin.

Regards Sophie
Is it the rescue mode?

Explain, please.

Your Subject: header says "su su- sudo dont work". What does this MEAN?

Please show us your attempts to USE each of these commands, and the
results that you got. This means, run the commands in a terminal
window, and then PASTE the contents of that terminal window into the
body of your next email. Show us the shell prompt, the command as you typed it, and the full output.

In other words, show us WHAT IS WRONG, or at least what appears wrong.

In addition, please give basic background information -- what version
of Debian you are running, what desktop environment if any, how you
logged in (*especially* if it isn't just a "standard graphical login
for your desktop environment"), and anything else you can think of
that might be relevant.

How does "rescue mode" factor into the problem?

When you installed Debian, did you give a root password, or did you
leave it blank?

Finally, it would be helpful for you to run the "id" command (with no arguments), in the same terminal session as your failed su or sudo command(s), and include that command and its output in your paste.

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