• What if the Internet would be IPv6-only tomorrow

    From Alexander Koeppe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 1 01:30:01 2018
    Hi list,

    I'm currently doing a self-experiment trying to survive in a IPv6-only
    world (therefore one of my previous posts here).

    I'm posting here because I'm looking for suggestions for a appropriate
    place to postulate the findings *but* for the the right community.


    I'm following the topic and discussions since several years and try to contribute to improve where I can. However, I'm a networker's person,
    hence reading sources from networkers for networkers and being quite
    sensitive to this matter due to my professional nature.

    From that, I've had the feeling, that the understanding of the need to
    change has meanwhile quite well settled down.

    However the result of my experiment showed me that one important
    fraction of the whole story hasn't been hooked up to the story well enough.

    What scared me that early in the experiment, is that nearly nothing yet
    works because the server-side lacks often IPv6 support or doesn't have
    it activated it via DNS.

    What works is
    1. Debian aptitude sources (security.debian.org and deb.debian.org)
    2. The whole Google Suite incl YouTube.
    3. The German Debianforum.de.
    4. Facebook.
    5. LinkedIn.
    6. FreeNode IRC.

    For a "normal" person like me, the list ends here unfortunately.

    1. GitHub doesn't work at all.
    2. The Register (who write bashing articles about GitHub's non-IPv6

    reachability) isn't reachable at all via IPv6
    3. DuckDuckGo doesn't work - so no privacy for IPv6-only users :-(
    4. Cisco main website works - login process fails since no IPv6
    5. HP no IPv6
    6. Brocade no IPv6
    7. Most DNS register services have no IPv6 (also their DNS tools are
    lacking IPv6 capabilities e.g. to automatically create glue
    records)
    8. eBay no IPv6
    9. Twitter no IPv6
    10. Xing no IPv6
    11. No Online-banking (in Germany) since no IPv6
    12. PayPal no IPv6
    .....


    So in essence, and in that early stage of the experiment I conclude that
    I wouldn't be able to get far in a IPv6-only tomorrow.

    Part of the misery is the utilization of Akamai for some of the bad-list members.

    In the end, Akamai and quite some prominent and "all" life-necessary applications are not accessible because the IPv4/IPv6 issue hasn't
    reached the application/server administrators attention.

    Meanwhile, all Internet Service providers implicitely provide even the
    cheapest customer a IPv6 connectivity, but applications folks seem to be
    blind on the IPv6-eye.

    Therefore I'm calling out here to get suggestions what would be good
    places to place a wake-up call for the website-, sever- and applications operators so that they get the understanding the networking community
    got to forward to their management levels to make them aware.

    Sorry for the lengthly post.


    - Alex


    P.S.
    Results of the tests taken in the range of 27.09.2018 thru 01.10.2018.

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  • From Jens Link@21:1/5 to Alexander Koeppe on Mon Oct 1 11:20:01 2018
    Alexander Koeppe <format_c@online.de> writes:

    1. GitHub doesn't work at all.

    I did a presentation at the last RIPE meeting:

    https://ripe76.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/146-we_dont_need_ipv6.pdf

    It rather sad.

    8. eBay no IPv6

    ebay-kleinanzeigen.de has IPv6 since June 5th 2012. Not everything will
    work because they use an eBay CDN in the backfround.

    11. No Online-banking (in Germany) since no IPv6

    Mine has. but they break PMTU discovery.

    https://ripe74.ripe.net/presentations/3-That-is-why-Rabobank-has-IPv6.pdf

    (Link is currently broken)

    So in essence, and in that early stage of the experiment I conclude that
    I wouldn't be able to get far in a IPv6-only tomorrow.

    Yes. And not much is changing on the content side. And people setting up
    new (wireless) access networks and ignoring IPv6 completely.

    Meanwhile, all Internet Service providers implicitely provide even the cheapest customer a IPv6 connectivity, but applications folks seem to be blind on the IPv6-eye.

    Yes. And complaining doesn't help. I think that twitter support not
    answering my question about IPv6 support is the most honest answer I
    got. I tried to update my RIPE presentation an came up with an empty
    slide.

    Therefore I'm calling out here to get suggestions what would be good
    places to place a wake-up call for the website-, sever- and applications operators so that they get the understanding the networking community
    got to forward to their management levels to make them aware.

    They will not care. You may get a lot of promises but no IPv6. I've
    given up. Don't let me start about universiies.

    There are some exceptions, at least on German car manufacturer is
    seriously working on this.

    I guess we have to wait two or three versions of Windows an MS will make
    IPv4 an additional feature which you have to pay for. ;-)

    Jens
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