Am Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2017, 09:20:33 CEST schrieb Francesco Pietra:
For testing purposes just move gdm out of the way, Just move /usr/bin/gdm to / root, when everything is working fine, move it back.

So you have a good way to test and go to default later.

You can also try to force initlevel (I do not know, if this is still working
in debian), so it will not run into rc5 (with X) but to rc2 (no X). I guess, there are people who know better than me, which runlevel is without X.
I did this 10 years ago and forgot about it.

Hope this helps

Best

Hans

Hello:
I would be happy to learn about a safe way to boot amd64 debian8 (gnome3)
and debian9 (xfce) to terminal, followed by startx and either gnome-session or what is correct for xfce. My older method of killing gdm does no more
work well. Booting into gui is often giving problems in scientific use of linux. My interest is in:

-- Examining all that is loaded during boot

-- Working from the terminal without gnome/xfce when running
number-crunching codes.

Thanks a lot for advice

francesco pietra

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Hello:
I would be happy to learn about a safe way to boot amd64 debian8 (gnome3)
and debian9 (xfce) to terminal, followed by startx and either gnome-session
or what is correct for xfce. My older method of killing gdm does no more
work well. Booting into gui is often giving problems in scientific use of linux. My interest is in:

-- Examining all that is loaded during boot

-- Working from the terminal without gnome/xfce when running
number-crunching codes.

Thanks a lot for advice

francesco pietra

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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hello:<br>I would be happy to learn about a safe way to boot amd64 debian8 (gnome3) and debian9 (xfce) to terminal, followed by startx and either gnome-session or what is correct for xfce. My older method of killing gdm
does no more work well. Booting into gui is often giving problems in scientific use of linux. My interest is in:<br><br></div>-- Examining all that is loaded during boot<br><br></div>-- Working from the terminal without gnome/xfce when running number-
crunching codes.<br><br></div>Thanks a lot for advice<br><br></div>francesco pietra<br></div>

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Hello

Yes I agree with Hans, you can change the default runlevel to 2 which gives
you a terminal then when you are ready, run gdm3 (starts X automatically)
or 'sudo init 5' to load the default window manager.

Do some research into init runlevels and I think it will help you a great
deal with a lot of things.

Regards


Am Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2017 schrieb Hans :

Am Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2017, 09:20:33 CEST schrieb Francesco Pietra:
For testing purposes just move gdm out of the way, Just move /usr/bin/gdm
to /
root, when everything is working fine, move it back.

So you have a good way to test and go to default later.

You can also try to force initlevel (I do not know, if this is still
working
in debian), so it will not run into rc5 (with X) but to rc2 (no X). I
guess,
there are people who know better than me, which runlevel is without X.
I did this 10 years ago and forgot about it.

Hope this helps

Best

Hans

Hello:
I would be happy to learn about a safe way to boot amd64 debian8 (gnome3) and debian9 (xfce) to terminal, followed by startx and either

gnome-session

or what is correct for xfce. My older method of killing gdm does no more work well. Booting into gui is often giving problems in scientific use of linux. My interest is in:

-- Examining all that is loaded during boot

-- Working from the terminal without gnome/xfce when running number-crunching codes.

Thanks a lot for advice

francesco pietra

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Hello<div><br></div><div>Yes I agree with Hans, you can change the default runlevel to 2 which gives you a terminal then when you are ready, run gdm3 (starts X automatically) or &#39;sudo init 5&#39; to load the default window manager.</div><div><br></

<div>Do some research into init runlevels and I think it will help you a great deal with a lot of things.</div><div><br></div>Regards<br><div><br><br>Am Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2017 schrieb Hans :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;

border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2017, 09:20:33 CEST schrieb Francesco Pietra:<br>
For testing purposes just move gdm out of the way, Just move /usr/bin/gdm to /<br>
root, when everything is working fine, move it back.<br>

So you have a good way to test and go to default later.<br>

You can also try to force initlevel (I do not know, if this is still working<br>
in debian), so it will not run into rc5 (with X) but to rc2 (no X). I guess,<br>
there are people who know better than me, which runlevel is without X.<br>
I did this 10 years ago and forgot about it.<br>

Hope this helps<br>

Best<br>

Hans<br>

&gt; Hello:<br>
&gt; I would be happy to learn about a safe way to boot amd64 debian8 (gnome3)<br>
&gt; and debian9 (xfce) to terminal, followed by startx and either gnome-session<br>
&gt; or what is correct for xfce. My older method of killing gdm does no more<br>
&gt; work well. Booting into gui is often giving problems in scientific use of<br>
&gt; linux. My interest is in:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -- Examining all that is loaded during boot<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -- Working from the terminal without gnome/xfce when running<br>
&gt; number-crunching codes.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks a lot for advice<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; francesco pietra<br>


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Hi:
rc.local (viewed with sysv-rc-conf) has "X" for 2 3 4 and 5. I made 3 4 and
5 blank by removing the "X". On "shutdown - now" and reboot, it still drops directly into xfce (debian9, vintage sony vaio). What wrong am I doing?
thanks
francesco

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Matthew Heggie <
matthew.heggie@googlemail.com> wrote:

Hello

Yes I agree with Hans, you can change the default runlevel to 2 which
gives you a terminal then when you are ready, run gdm3 (starts X automatically) or 'sudo init 5' to load the default window manager.

Do some research into init runlevels and I think it will help you a great deal with a lot of things.

Regards

Am Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2017 schrieb Hans :

Am Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2017, 09:20:33 CEST schrieb Francesco Pietra:
For testing purposes just move gdm out of the way, Just move /usr/bin/gdm
to /
root, when everything is working fine, move it back.

So you have a good way to test and go to default later.

You can also try to force initlevel (I do not know, if this is still
working
in debian), so it will not run into rc5 (with X) but to rc2 (no X). I
guess,
there are people who know better than me, which runlevel is without X.
I did this 10 years ago and forgot about it.

Hope this helps

Best

Hans

Hello:
I would be happy to learn about a safe way to boot amd64 debian8

(gnome3)

and debian9 (xfce) to terminal, followed by startx and either

gnome-session

or what is correct for xfce. My older method of killing gdm does no more >> > work well. Booting into gui is often giving problems in scientific use

of

linux. My interest is in:

-- Examining all that is loaded during boot

-- Working from the terminal without gnome/xfce when running
number-crunching codes.

Thanks a lot for advice

francesco pietra

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<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi:<br></div>rc.local (viewed with sysv-rc-conf) has &quot;X&quot; for 2 3 4 and 5. I made 3 4 and 5 blank by removing the &quot;X&quot;. On &quot;shutdown - now&quot; and reboot, it still drops directly into xfce (debian9,
vintage sony vaio). What wrong am I doing? thanks<br></div>francesco<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Matthew Heggie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:matthew.heggie@googlemail.com" target="_
blank">matthew.heggie@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello<div><br></div><div>Yes I agree with Hans, you can change the default runlevel to 2
which gives you a terminal then when you are ready, run gdm3 (starts X automatically) or &#39;sudo init 5&#39; to load the default window manager.</div><div><br></div><div>Do some research into init runlevels and I think it will help you a great deal
with a lot of things.</div><div><br></div>Regards<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><div><br><br>Am Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2017 schrieb Hans :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am
Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2017, 09:20:33 CEST schrieb Francesco Pietra:<br>
For testing purposes just move gdm out of the way, Just move /usr/bin/gdm to /<br>
root, when everything is working fine, move it back.<br>

So you have a good way to test and go to default later.<br>

You can also try to force initlevel (I do not know, if this is still working<br>
in debian), so it will not run into rc5 (with X) but to rc2 (no X). I guess,<br>
there are people who know better than me, which runlevel is without X.<br>
I did this 10 years ago and forgot about it.<br>

Hope this helps<br>

Best<br>

Hans<br>

&gt; Hello:<br>
&gt; I would be happy to learn about a safe way to boot amd64 debian8 (gnome3)<br>
&gt; and debian9 (xfce) to terminal, followed by startx and either gnome-session<br>
&gt; or what is correct for xfce. My older method of killing gdm does no more<br>
&gt; work well. Booting into gui is often giving problems in scientific use of<br>
&gt; linux. My interest is in:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -- Examining all that is loaded during boot<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -- Working from the terminal without gnome/xfce when running<br>
&gt; number-crunching codes.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks a lot for advice<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; francesco pietra<br>


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Hi:
I found (did not invent) plain way

# systemctl set-default multi-user.target

whereby it loads into the shell. One couldThat gors ack with

# systemctl set-default

Then comment out the line

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"

in /etc/default/grub
followed by
# update grub

whereby you get verbose boot.

That goes back a few (or many) years, mainly in favor of my son, trying to
keep him away from the commercial-software method of not understanding what lies below the keyboard. (

cheers
francesco
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From: Francesco Pietra <chiendarret@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Booting to terminal
To: Matthew Heggie <matthew.heggie@googlemail.com>
Cc: Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de>, "debian-amd64@lists.debian.org" < debian-amd64@lists.debian.org>


Hi:
rc.local (viewed with sysv-rc-conf) has "X" for 2 3 4 and 5. I made 3 4 and
5 blank by removing the "X". On "shutdown - now" and reboot, it still drops directly into xfce (debian9, vintage sony vaio). What wrong am I doing?
thanks
francesco

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Matthew Heggie <
matthew.heggie@googlemail.com> wrote:

Hello

Yes I agree with Hans, you can change the default runlevel to 2 which
gives you a terminal then when you are ready, run gdm3 (starts X automatically) or 'sudo init 5' to load the default window manager.

Do some research into init runlevels and I think it will help you a great deal with a lot of things.

Regards

Am Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2017 schrieb Hans :

Am Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2017, 09:20:33 CEST schrieb Francesco Pietra:
For testing purposes just move gdm out of the way, Just move /usr/bin/gdm
to /
root, when everything is working fine, move it back.

So you have a good way to test and go to default later.

You can also try to force initlevel (I do not know, if this is still
working
in debian), so it will not run into rc5 (with X) but to rc2 (no X). I
guess,
there are people who know better than me, which runlevel is without X.
I did this 10 years ago and forgot about it.

Hope this helps

Best

Hans

Hello:
I would be happy to learn about a safe way to boot amd64 debian8

(gnome3)

and debian9 (xfce) to terminal, followed by startx and either

gnome-session

or what is correct for xfce. My older method of killing gdm does no more >> > work well. Booting into gui is often giving problems in scientific use

of

linux. My interest is in:

-- Examining all that is loaded during boot

-- Working from the terminal without gnome/xfce when running
number-crunching codes.

Thanks a lot for advice

francesco pietra

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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi:<br></div>I found (did not invent) plain way<br><br></div># systemctl set-default multi-user.target<br><br></div>whereby it loads into the shell. One couldThat gors ack with<br>
<br></div># systemctl set-default<br><br></div>Then comment out the line<br><br></div>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=&quot;quiet&quot;<br><br></div><div>in /etc/default/grub<br></div>followed by<br></div># update grub<br><br></div>whereby you get verbose
boot.<br><br></div>That goes back a few (or many) years, mainly in favor of my son, trying to keep him away from the commercial-software method of not understanding what lies below the keyboard. (<br><br></div>cheers<br></div>francesco<br><div><div><div><

<div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Francesco Pietra</b> <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:chiendarret@gmail.com">chiendarret@gmail.com</

&gt;</span><br>Date: Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:07 PM<br>Subject: Re: Booting to terminal<br>To: Matthew Heggie &lt;<a href="mailto:matthew.heggie@googlemail.com">matthew.heggie@googlemail.com</a>&gt;<br>Cc: Hans &lt;<a href="mailto:hans.ullrich@loop.de">

hans.ullrich@loop.de</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href="mailto:debian-amd64@lists.debian.org">debian-amd64@lists.debian.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:debian-amd64@lists.debian.org">debian-amd64@lists.debian.org</a>&gt;<br><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi:<br>
</div>rc.local (viewed with sysv-rc-conf) has &quot;X&quot; for 2 3 4 and 5. I made 3 4 and 5 blank by removing the &quot;X&quot;. On &quot;shutdown - now&quot; and reboot, it still drops directly into xfce (debian9, vintage sony vaio). What wrong am I
doing? thanks<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">francesco<br></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed,
May 3, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Matthew Heggie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:matthew.heggie@googlemail.com" target="_blank">matthew.heggie@googlemail.com</a><wbr>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello<div><br></div><div>Yes I agree with Hans, you can change the default runlevel to 2 which gives you a terminal then when you are ready, run gdm3 (starts X automatically) or &#39;sudo init 5&#39; to load the default
window manager.</div><div><br></div><div>Do some research into init runlevels and I think it will help you a great deal with a lot of things.</div><div><br></div>Regards<div class="m_3594956282678550210HOEnZb"><div class="m_3594956282678550210h5"><br><

<br><br>Am Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2017 schrieb Hans :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2017, 09:20:33 CEST schrieb Francesco Pietra:<br>

For testing purposes just move gdm out of the way, Just move /usr/bin/gdm to /<br>
root, when everything is working fine, move it back.<br>

So you have a good way to test and go to default later.<br>

You can also try to force initlevel (I do not know, if this is still working<br>
in debian), so it will not run into rc5 (with X) but to rc2 (no X). I guess,<br>
there are people who know better than me, which runlevel is without X.<br>
I did this 10 years ago and forgot about it.<br>

Hope this helps<br>

Best<br>

Hans<br>

&gt; Hello:<br>
&gt; I would be happy to learn about a safe way to boot amd64 debian8 (gnome3)<br>
&gt; and debian9 (xfce) to terminal, followed by startx and either gnome-session<br>
&gt; or what is correct for xfce. My older method of killing gdm does no more<br>
&gt; work well. Booting into gui is often giving problems in scientific use of<br>
&gt; linux. My interest is in:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -- Examining all that is loaded during boot<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -- Working from the terminal without gnome/xfce when running<br>
&gt; number-crunching codes.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks a lot for advice<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; francesco pietra<br>


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