Dear developers,

I propose the following ballot option for the current GR:

Ballot Option
=============

1) The Debian project decide against changing its voting process at this
time.

2) General resolutions that probe developpers opinions about non-technical issues
outside the social contract are discouraged.

Rationale
=========

So far no voting scheme that preserve both the integrity of the vote and
the secret of the vote have been proposed. The scheme used for DPL
election does not provide plausible deniability.

2. is not made a hard requirement so that it need not be adjudicated by
the Debian secretary. However most of the developers that seconded the first ballot of GR 2021_002 were experienced developers that would be have been
able to heed the recommendation given in this GR.

Respectfully submitted,
--
Bill. <ballombe@debian.org>

Imagine a large red swirl here.

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hi Bill,

On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 12:10:53AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:

Ballot Option
=============

1) The Debian project decide against changing its voting process at this time.

2) General resolutions that probe developpers opinions about non-technical issues
outside the social contract are discouraged.

Rationale
=========

So far no voting scheme that preserve both the integrity of the vote and
the secret of the vote have been proposed. The scheme used for DPL
election does not provide plausible deniability.

2. is not made a hard requirement so that it need not be adjudicated by
the Debian secretary. However most of the developers that seconded the first ballot of GR 2021_002 were experienced developers that would be have been able to heed the recommendation given in this GR.

seems I missed your ballot proposal when I suggested mine in https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2022/03/msg00021.html
(Message-id: YiHtKyWt2LhDLGVV@layer-acht.org>), I'm sorry and I'm blaming information overload everywhere, which is why I'm behind in catching up on reading @-vote.

Anyway, how do we proceed here?

For now, I'm also seconding your proposal.


--
cheers,
Holger

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⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C
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In Europe there are people prosecuted by courts because they saved other people from drowning in the Mediterranean Sea. That is almost as absurd as if there were people being prosecuted because they save humans from drowning in the sea.

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* Bill Allombert: " GR Ballot Option: (first draft) No change to voting,
recommend against GR for non-technical issues" (Thu, 3 Mar 2022 00:10:53
+0100):

Dear developers,

I propose the following ballot option for the current GR:

Ballot Option
=============

1) The Debian project decide against changing its voting process at this time.

2) General resolutions that probe developpers opinions about non-technical issues outside the social contract are discouraged.

Rationale
=========

So far no voting scheme that preserve both the integrity of the vote and
the secret of the vote have been proposed. The scheme used for DPL
election does not provide plausible deniability.

2. is not made a hard requirement so that it need not be adjudicated by
the Debian secretary. However most of the developers that seconded the first ballot of GR 2021_002 were experienced developers that would be have been able to heed the recommendation given in this GR.

Respectfully submitted,

FTR I am sponsoring this. Whatever Bill and Holger decide about their similar options.

--

Mathias Behrle
PGP/GnuPG key availabable from any keyserver, ID: 0xD6D09BE48405BBF6
AC29 7E5C 46B9 D0B6 1C71 7681 D6D0 9BE4 8405 BBF6

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On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 12:21:04PM +0000, Holger Levsen wrote:

hi Bill,

On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 12:10:53AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:

Ballot Option
=============

1) The Debian project decide against changing its voting process at this time.

2) General resolutions that probe developpers opinions about non-technical issues
outside the social contract are discouraged.

Rationale
=========

So far no voting scheme that preserve both the integrity of the vote and the secret of the vote have been proposed. The scheme used for DPL
election does not provide plausible deniability.

2. is not made a hard requirement so that it need not be adjudicated by
the Debian secretary. However most of the developers that seconded the first
ballot of GR 2021_002 were experienced developers that would be have been able to heed the recommendation given in this GR.

seems I missed your ballot proposal when I suggested mine in https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2022/03/msg00021.html
(Message-id: YiHtKyWt2LhDLGVV@layer-acht.org>), I'm sorry and I'm blaming information overload everywhere, which is why I'm behind in catching up on reading @-vote.

Anyway, how do we proceed here?

We should merge them! Maybe you could suggest a new wording ?

Cheers,
--
Bill. <ballombe@debian.org>

Imagine a large red swirl here.

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hi Bill,

On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 04:12:44PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:

Anyway, how do we proceed here?

We should merge them! Maybe you could suggest a new wording ?

given that my proposal already showed up on https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_001#textc could I please ask you
(or anybody else) to look at what's missing compared to your proposal?

(sorry to play the lazy card here. you're welcome to draw one as well :)


--
cheers,
Holger

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C
⠈⠳⣄

The climate crisis makes a minimum voting age of 18 look so extremely unfair.

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On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 11:56:07PM +0000, Holger Levsen wrote:

hi Bill,

On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 04:12:44PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:

Anyway, how do we proceed here?

We should merge them! Maybe you could suggest a new wording ?

given that my proposal already showed up on https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_001#textc could I please ask you
(or anybody else) to look at what's missing compared to your proposal?

The recommendation against non-technical GR ?

(which maybe actually more important than whether the vote is secret or
note).

Cheers,
Bill.

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