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  • Debian-vote: GRs, discussion and voting periods - a plea for calm

    From Andrew M.A. Cater@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 4 19:10:01 2021
    Everyone:

    There are currently two GRs (the DPL vote and the RMS statement) which have proved contentious and created large amounts of discussion, stifling some of the discussion we might normally have had.

    The vote period on both GRs has now started: please, everyone, stop posting mail to -vote trying to persuade people to one viewpoint or another. The discussion period has formally finished. We've had large numbers of mails to debian-vote. It is time to pause discussion.

    Can we please leave folks to make their choices as they think appropriate - however good or bad you may think those choices are, they are somebody else's choices to make in their own right - and go back to focusing on other Debian activities?

    The community team has had various emails: this mail is being sent by me, Andy Cater, to forestall further appeals to community if possible.

    Please also respect the integrity and independence of the Debian Project secretary and the mechanics of the voting, tallying and results process: this is the time to participate in voting and respect the integrity of Debian's normal processes.

    Thanks

    Andy Cater

    [amacater@debian.org]

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  • From Andrew M.A. Cater@21:1/5 to Holger Levsen on Sun Apr 4 20:40:02 2021
    On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 05:36:21PM +0000, Holger Levsen wrote:
    Hi Andrew,


    Thanks

    (I agree with your mail. I'm just wondering.. about the following)

    - are you a member of the community team?
    - was this an 'official' mail from the team or your personal opinion or a mix or?

    IOW: I think it would have been / be good to make these things clear(er).

    Thanks!


    Hi Holger,

    I _am_ a member of the community team. I did consult other members of the team before posting. This is, primarily, a personal view - designed, as I said, to stop numbers of complaints to -community and to calm discussion - I did consider whether to put this out as the view of the team as a whole but there were only half of us there - a personal plea for calm felt more in tune both with what I wanted to say and what was necessary immediately.

    Full clarification: I don't object to discussion at all under
    normal circumstances - but I couldn't stand to have another fortnight of traffic on debian-vote at the level of feeling that we have now or the number of emails we've had all over again :)


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    cheers,
    Holger

    All the very best,

    Andy C.


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  • From Holger Levsen@21:1/5 to Andrew M.A. Cater on Sun Apr 4 23:50:01 2021
    On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 06:36:40PM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
    I _am_ a member of the community team.

    oh dear. [I'm not really able to express what I feel having a private
    mail exposed by you. I hope for a honest mistake but even then I'd be disappointed. I'll leave it at this.]

    because you cannot have community if you disrespect privacy.


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    cheers,
    Holger

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  • From Holger Levsen@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 5 03:20:01 2021
    someone brought this up on IRC and I replied...

    [23:01] < h01ger> he apologized in private, so i'm fine. mistakes happen all the time.


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    cheers,
    Holger

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    The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence;
    it is to act with yesterdays logic. (Peter Drucker)

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