As of this writing, the tally sheet is still the dummy tally sheet, and it has not been replaced with the real one.
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:23:35PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
As of this writing, the tally sheet is still the dummy tally sheet, and it has not been replaced with the real one.
I don't see a problem. This looks like the real tally sheet: https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_003_tally.txt
There is a dummy tally sheet at: https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_resolution_process/tally.txt
I'm not sure the real one ever got published there.
It's understandable that there is no motivation to choose between two veryThe details of the results are available at: https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_003
I think its a bit sad that even in Debian the motivation to vote seems to be pretty low. I'm wondering if there is anything we can do to motivate more people to vote.
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 03:31:12PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
It's understandable that there is no motivation to choose between two very long and complicated (and similar but maybe not?) changes.The details of the results are available at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_003
I think its a bit sad that even in Debian the motivation to vote seems to be >> pretty low. I'm wondering if there is anything we can do to motivate more
people to vote.
I'm wondering if there is anything we can do to motivate more
people to vote.
From Wikipedia's page on 'Get Out the Vote': [1]
The details of the results are available at: https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_003
Hi,
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 6:37 AM Bernd Zeimetz <bernd@bzed.de> wrote:
I'm wondering if there is anything we can do to motivate more
people to vote.
From Wikipedia's page on 'Get Out the Vote': [1]
"GOTV is often most effective when potential voters are told to do
so "because others will ask." Voters will then go to the polls as a
means of fulfilling perceived societal expectations. Paradoxically,
informing voters that turnout is expecting to be high was found to
increase actual voter turnout, while predicting lower turnouts
actually resulted in less voters.
The red bar chart in the same article indicates something similar.
Perhaps we should publish a list of actual voters afterwards, without
their choices, or award badges on Salsa?
I don't see how encouraging people to vote who lack either an opinion on
the subject in hand, or the motivation to vote, is supposed to improve
the outcome.
In that case, the problem is that the links to the tally sheet still
point to the dummy sheet; if you go to the vote's page, then click on
the "statistics" link, and next on the "tally sheet" one, you get the
dummy tally sheet.
I think its a bit sad that even in Debian the motivation to vote seems to be pretty low. I'm wondering if there is anything we can do to motivate more people to vote.
The one we just had was tl;dr to me. The people pushing it gave me zero motivation to read it, I spent my spare time on my packages.
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:41:51PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:23:35PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
As of this writing, the tally sheet is still the dummy tally sheet, and it has not been replaced with the real one.
I don't see a problem. This looks like the real tally sheet: https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_003_tally.txt
There is a dummy tally sheet at: https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_resolution_process/tally.txt
I'm not sure the real one ever got published there.
In that case, the problem is that the links to the tally sheet still
point to the dummy sheet; if you go to the vote's page, then click on
the "statistics" link, and next on the "tally sheet" one, you get the
dummy tally sheet.
So in general if there are such big and non-obvious changes to
documents, I think the best option would be to have (require?) a side by
side diff as PDF or in some other readable format available.
It's understandable that there is no motivation to choose between two very long and complicated (and similar but maybe not?) changes.
It's understandable that there is no motivation to choose between two very long and complicated (and similar but maybe not?) changes.
True, also (like in my case) I forced myself to find the time to read trough it and understand it somewhere in the middle of the night to be able to vote at all. Yes, I think voting is important!A diff was provided, at least for the first option, but the changes were
So in general if there are such big and non-obvious changes to documents, I think the best option would be to have (require?) a side by side diff as PDF or in some other readable format available. In this case the old document and the two propose changes could have been displayed side by side on a few landscape pages.
As the person proposing this GR, I think that's a perfectly reasonable
stance to take, and to be quite honest one of my goals was to *not* give people a (negative) motivation to feel like they have to be involved. My explicit goal (with one exception mentioned below) was to address various process bugs in a straightforward way consistent with how we've been informally behaving anyway. My hope was that the result would be quite boring, and unless you're directly involved in a GR, hopefully no one will notice.
The exception is the change to the maximum discussion length, as
previously discussed, which is a real, substantive change. However, not everyone is going to have a strong feeling about that one way or the
other.
Marc Haber <mh+debian-vote@zugschlus.de> writes:
The one we just had was tl;dr to me. The people pushing it gave me zero motivation to read it, I spent my spare time on my packages.
As the person proposing this GR, I think that's a perfectly reasonable
stance to take, and to be quite honest one of my goals was to *not* give people a (negative) motivation to feel like they have to be involved.
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