• Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

    From Steve McIntyre@21:1/5 to Dmitry Smirnov on Sat Apr 3 14:30:02 2021
    On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:32:41PM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
    On Saturday, 3 April 2021 11:19:38 AM AEDT Craig Sanders wrote:
    The witch hunt is not within debian, debian's just being dragged into the
    angry mob.

    Yes to everything you've said, Craig. And the attack on Debian has been >successful so far. So many man-hours were lost on this GR already in
    the midst of the pre-release freeze, just to name one problem...

    Please give up with the hyperbole already. There is no "attack" on
    Debian here at all. We have a number of Debian developers asking that
    the project lends its voice to a community-wide call for a safe,
    non-hostile environment for all.

    We're about to have a vote on that and some alternative options,
    following the process that we've all followed for years. Let's wait
    and see how that turns out.

    --
    Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com You raise the blade, you make the change... You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane...

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  • From Adrian Bunk@21:1/5 to Craig Sanders on Sat Apr 3 15:20:02 2021
    On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 06:20:47PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:

    TEXT OF OPTION 5
    ----------------

    Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the Free Software Foundation.

    ----------------

    Questions to the Project Secretary:

    Was this email (which is not the repost email) a validly signed email
    proposing an amendment to the GR?

    If yes:

    Since A.2.3. of our constitution says "calls" and not "called",
    do you agree that a vote has not been called before the person who calls
    for a vote has made a statement on what they believe the wordings of the resolution and any relevant amendments are?

    cu
    Adrian

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  • From Kurt Roeckx@21:1/5 to Adrian Bunk on Sat Apr 3 17:30:01 2021
    On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 03:53:58PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
    On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 06:20:47PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:

    TEXT OF OPTION 5
    ----------------

    Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
    Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the Free Software Foundation.

    ----------------

    Questions to the Project Secretary:

    Was this email (which is not the repost email) a validly signed email proposing an amendment to the GR?

    I did verify the signature, and it was good. The subject of the
    email clearly indicates to me it's an amendment to the GR. It
    would have been nice that it said it replaced the whole proposal
    with that text, but I think it's clear enough what the intention
    is. So I think the answer to your question is yes.

    But note that at that time it's still just a proposal, it's not
    been accepted, nor has it received enough sponsors.

    If yes:

    Since A.2.3. of our constitution says "calls" and not "called",
    do you agree that a vote has not been called before the person who calls
    for a vote has made a statement on what they believe the wordings of the resolution and any relevant amendments are?

    I currently don't see why the call only happened after the other
    things happened. As far as I know, it's not exactly defined when the
    discussion period stops, and it seems you want a clear point. But
    since there is no clear point, I am flexible up to a certain point.

    A.2.3 also seems to that they should copy the full text all the
    options. The text is already on the website, so I see little point
    in doing that.


    Kurt

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  • From Kurt Roeckx@21:1/5 to Michael Biebl on Sat Apr 3 20:20:01 2021
    On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 08:12:50PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
    On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
    Short and simple:

    TEXT OF OPTION 5
    ----------------

    Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
    Richard
    Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of
    the
    Free Software Foundation.

    ----------------

    I think this option should be on the ballot as well for a fair
    representation off all sides. So seconded.

    This mail wasn't signed. There are more than enough seconds
    already.


    Kurt

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  • From Michael Biebl@21:1/5 to Craig Sanders on Sat Apr 3 20:20:02 2021
    On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
    Short and simple:

    TEXT OF OPTION 5
    ----------------

    Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
    Richard
    Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board
    of the
    Free Software Foundation.

    ----------------

    I think this option should be on the ballot as well for a fair
    representation off all sides. So seconded.

    Regards,
    Michael

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  • From Michael Biebl@21:1/5 to Kurt Roeckx on Sat Apr 3 21:00:02 2021
    Copy: debian-vote@lists.debian.org

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    Am 03.04.21 um 20:16 schrieb Kurt Roeckx:
    On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 08:12:50PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
    On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
    Short and simple:

    TEXT OF OPTION 5
    ----------------

    Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
    Richard
    Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of
    the
    Free Software Foundation.

    ----------------

    I think this option should be on the ballot as well for a fair
    representation off all sides. So seconded.

    This mail wasn't signed. There are more than enough seconds
    already.

    Grrh, sorry. Thanks Kurt!




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