On 2023-11-19 22:45 +0100, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx wrote:

More information can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2023/vote_002

This is generally good, but can we fix the typos and English-as-2nd-language issues before voting?

Or is it too late already? I don't feel we should be putting out an
official project statement with mistakes/English like this. And
(assuming we are going to fix this) it feels wrong to vote on a text
before it is finalised.

Things I noticed:

1) Discoverded -> Discovered

2) "a fine-tuned, well working system "
This is very peculiar, not really correct, english. At the very least 'well-working' needs hyphenating. "well-functioning"? "tried-and-tested"? Maybe just re-arrange the sentence.

3) "to keep even with" -> "to retain parity with"

4) "It is not understandable why" -> "It is not comprehensible why"
or probably better:
"It is not understandable why the EU aims to" -> "It makes no sense for the EU to aim to"

HTH (did none of the seconders notice this stuff?). I guess I should
join -project or -vote some day...

Wookey
--
Principal hats: Debian, Wookware, ARM
http://wookware.org/

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Hello everybody,

thank you for preparing this!

Quick comments form somebody who does not have the time to follow
debian-vote:

"make the best system we can": Maybe this is a good opportunity to point
at our social contract, to show to the readers who have no idea what
Debian is how important that the statement is for us, and that it
predates the discussions on the CRA.

The word "upstream" appears for the first time in point 1b. I am unsure
with people with superficial knowledge of what we are doing know what "upstream" means.

"The social contract": maybe "Our social contract" is clearer?

2d as it is written feels anti-government, and why would governments
listen the needs of an anti-government organisation? The point on centralisation is already made in 2c. It may be remindwd there that
threat actors include unlawful governments (and that in EU there as as
many governments as members).

Then, I would suggest to center 2d on the protection of activists.
Maybe it could be said that Debian accept anonymous contributions for
that reason, and that (to my knowledge) the CRA does not take that kind
of situation into account.

"the EU aims to cripple": this is a strong statement that will annoy all readers who believe that the EU aims to make a better world and possibly
reduce the support for and impact of the GR. Maybe "If accepted as it
is, CRA will cripple"

I hope you find my comments helpful. Even if the GR text does not
change, I will vote for it anyway.

Finally, the conclusion calls for exemptions for small businesses, but
why not explicitely call for a clear excemption for large free software projects such as Debian, given all the uncertainty that the CRA would
create. After all, we compete with commercial products, we aim to have
users beyond our community, and we do send strong signals to our users
that they can put a lot of trust on us. In that sense, it may be argued
one day by others that we are doing some kind of commerce.

Have a nice day,

Charles

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Thanks to those who have spotted errors and have proposed fixes!

I am collecting more patches, and I will send an updated proposal as
soon as possible. But I won't be able to do it earlier than tomorrow
Wednesday, when I will be in the Northern hemisphere.

El 21/11/23 a las 12:01, Miriam Ruiz escribió:

s/Discoverded/Discovered/
s/fullfill/fulfill/

El dom, 19 nov 2023 a las 22:53, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt
Roeckx (<secretary@debian.org>) escribió:

A General Resolution has been started about a statement
about the EU Legislation "Cyber Resilience Act and Product Liability Directive"

More information can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2023/vote_002

Kurt Roeckx
Debian Project Secretary

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