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    From Kurt Roeckx@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 17 01:20:01 2022
    Hi,

    I will most likely start the voting period tomorrow evening, so
    2022-09-18 00:00 UTC.

    I did not have time to put the last option on the website, but it has
    enough seconds.

    I welcome suggestion for the ballot texts.


    Kurt

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  • From Holger Levsen@21:1/5 to Kurt Roeckx on Sat Sep 17 02:20:02 2022
    resending publically, cause Kurt so very much deserves it!

    thank you, Kurt!

    On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 01:17:24AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
    I did not have time to put the last option on the website, but it has
    enough seconds.

    thanks!

    (:*)

    if there are specific problems, you should spell them out. *more hugs*, Kurt!

    (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

    seriously.

    else: enjoy, Debian can wait.


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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to Kurt Roeckx on Sat Sep 17 02:20:02 2022
    Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> writes:

    I welcome suggestion for the ballot texts.

    Tentative proposal, and the proponents of other options should jump in and correct these.

    A: "Only one installer, including non-free firmware"
    B: "Recommend installer containing non-free firmware"
    C: "Provide installers with and without non-free firmware"
    D: "Installer with non-free firmware not part of Debian"
    E: "Change SC for non-free firmware in installer, one installer"
    F: "Change SC for non-free firmware in installer, keep both installers"

    It's tricky to word the last two sufficiently succinctly to keep them on
    one line without making them too cryptic. Any better suggestions very
    much welcome.

    --
    Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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  • From Bart Martens@21:1/5 to Russ Allbery on Sat Sep 17 12:30:01 2022
    On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 05:18:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
    Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> writes:

    I welcome suggestion for the ballot texts.

    Tentative proposal, and the proponents of other options should jump in and correct these.

    A: "Only one installer, including non-free firmware"
    B: "Recommend installer containing non-free firmware"
    C: "Provide installers with and without non-free firmware"

    More accurate would be:
    C: "Allow presenting non-free installers alongside the free one"

    D: "Installer with non-free firmware not part of Debian"

    And here:
    D: "Installer with non-free software not part of Debian"

    E: "Change SC for non-free firmware in installer, one installer"
    F: "Change SC for non-free firmware in installer, keep both installers"

    It's tricky to word the last two sufficiently succinctly to keep them on
    one line without making them too cryptic. Any better suggestions very
    much welcome.

    --
    Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>


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  • From Ansgar@21:1/5 to Kurt Roeckx on Sat Sep 17 21:10:01 2022
    On Sat, 2022-09-17 at 20:58 +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
    On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:28:23PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
    D: "Installer with non-free firmware not part of Debian"

    And here:
    D: "Installer with non-free software not part of Debian"

    That looks the same? Do you mean to says "is not part of Debian"?

    It's "non-free firmware" vs "non-free software". I had to read three
    times too.

    Ansgar

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  • From Kurt Roeckx@21:1/5 to Bart Martens on Sat Sep 17 21:00:01 2022
    On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:28:23PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
    On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 05:18:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
    Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> writes:

    I welcome suggestion for the ballot texts.

    Tentative proposal, and the proponents of other options should jump in and correct these.

    A: "Only one installer, including non-free firmware"
    B: "Recommend installer containing non-free firmware"
    C: "Provide installers with and without non-free firmware"

    More accurate would be:
    C: "Allow presenting non-free installers alongside the free one"

    D: "Installer with non-free firmware not part of Debian"

    And here:
    D: "Installer with non-free software not part of Debian"

    That looks the same? Do you mean to says "is not part of Debian"?


    Kurt

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  • From Kurt Roeckx@21:1/5 to Russ Allbery on Sat Sep 17 21:50:01 2022
    On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 05:18:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
    Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> writes:

    I welcome suggestion for the ballot texts.

    Tentative proposal, and the proponents of other options should jump in and correct these.

    A: "Only one installer, including non-free firmware"
    B: "Recommend installer containing non-free firmware"
    C: "Provide installers with and without non-free firmware"
    D: "Installer with non-free firmware not part of Debian"
    E: "Change SC for non-free firmware in installer, one installer"
    F: "Change SC for non-free firmware in installer, keep both installers"

    It's tricky to word the last two sufficiently succinctly to keep them on
    one line without making them too cryptic. Any better suggestions very
    much welcome.

    The website should be updated, I'm preparing the ballot.

    It seems that the constitution on
    https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution has not been updated after https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_001

    It's my understanding that all votes are now secret votes like in the
    cae of a DPL election.


    Kurt

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  • From Bart Martens@21:1/5 to Kurt Roeckx on Sun Sep 18 00:00:01 2022
    On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 08:58:23PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
    On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:28:23PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
    On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 05:18:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
    Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> writes:

    I welcome suggestion for the ballot texts.

    Tentative proposal, and the proponents of other options should jump in and
    correct these.

    A: "Only one installer, including non-free firmware"
    B: "Recommend installer containing non-free firmware"
    C: "Provide installers with and without non-free firmware"

    More accurate would be:
    C: "Allow presenting non-free installers alongside the free one"

    D: "Installer with non-free firmware not part of Debian"

    And here:
    D: "Installer with non-free software not part of Debian"

    That looks the same? Do you mean to says "is not part of Debian"?

    The difference is "firmware" replaced by "software". The word "firmware" is nowhere in the texts of options C and D.



    Kurt


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