hi,

I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like
proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image.

Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable
Debian installer images, for those cases were some included non-free
stuff else might limit distribution, eg to Iran or Cuba etc or
by imposing other restrictions...!


-----------------------------------------------------
Proposal F

This ballot option supersedes the Debian Social Contract (a foundation document) under point 4.1.5 of the constitution and thus requires a 3:1 majority.

The Debian Social Contract is replaced with a new version that is identical to the current version in all respects except that it adds the following sentence to the end of point 5:

The Debian official media may include firmware that is otherwise not
part of the Debian system to enable use of Debian with hardware that
requires such firmware.

The Debian Project also makes the following statement on an issue of the day:

We will include non-free firmware packages from the "non-free-firmware" section of the Debian archive on our official media (installer images and live images). The included firmware binaries will normally be enabled by default where the system determines
that they are required, but where possible we will include ways for users to disable this at boot (boot menu option, kernel command line etc.).

When the installer/live system is running we will provide information to the user about what firmware has been loaded (both free and non-free), and we will also store that information on the target system such that users will be able to find it later.
Where non-free firmware is found to be necessary, the target system will also be configured to use the non-free-firmware component by default in the apt sources.list file. Our users should receive security updates and important fixes to firmware binaries
just like any other installed software.

We will publish these images as official Debian media, alongside the current media sets that do not include non-free firmware packages.

-------------------------------------------------------

(This is exactly "Proposal E" as found on https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003
now, except that in the very last sentence the word "replacing" has
been replaced with "alongside".)


--
cheers,
Holger

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⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C
⠈⠳⣄

The wrong Amazon is burning.

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On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 03:00:26PM +0000, Holger Levsen wrote:

hi,

I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like
proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image.

Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable
Debian installer images, for those cases were some included non-free
stuff else might limit distribution, eg to Iran or Cuba etc or
by imposing other restrictions...!

-----------------------------------------------------
Proposal F

This ballot option supersedes the Debian Social Contract (a foundation document) under point 4.1.5 of the constitution and thus requires a 3:1 majority.

The Debian Social Contract is replaced with a new version that is identical to the current version in all respects except that it adds the following sentence to the end of point 5:

The Debian official media may include firmware that is otherwise not
part of the Debian system to enable use of Debian with hardware that
requires such firmware.

The Debian Project also makes the following statement on an issue of the day:

We will include non-free firmware packages from the "non-free-firmware" section of the Debian archive on our official media (installer images and live images). The included firmware binaries will normally be enabled by default where the system

determines that they are required, but where possible we will include ways for users to disable this at boot (boot menu option, kernel command line etc.).

When the installer/live system is running we will provide information to the user about what firmware has been loaded (both free and non-free), and we will also store that information on the target system such that users will be able to find it later.

Where non-free firmware is found to be necessary, the target system will also be configured to use the non-free-firmware component by default in the apt sources.list file. Our users should receive security updates and important fixes to firmware binaries
just like any other installed software.

We will publish these images as official Debian media, alongside the current media sets that do not include non-free firmware packages.

-------------------------------------------------------

(This is exactly "Proposal E" as found on https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003
now, except that in the very last sentence the word "replacing" has
been replaced with "alongside".)

Seconded.

--
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com “Changing random stuff until your program works is bad coding
practice, but if you do it fast enough it’s Machine Learning.”
-- https://twitter.com/manisha72617183

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On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 03:00:26PM +0000, Holger Levsen wrote:

hi,

I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like
proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image.

Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable
Debian installer images, for those cases were some included non-free
stuff else might limit distribution, eg to Iran or Cuba etc or
by imposing other restrictions...!

-----------------------------------------------------
Proposal F

This ballot option supersedes the Debian Social Contract (a foundation document) under point 4.1.5 of the constitution and thus requires a 3:1 majority.

The Debian Social Contract is replaced with a new version that is identical to the current version in all respects except that it adds the following sentence to the end of point 5:

The Debian official media may include firmware that is otherwise not
part of the Debian system to enable use of Debian with hardware that
requires such firmware.

The Debian Project also makes the following statement on an issue of the day:

We will include non-free firmware packages from the "non-free-firmware" section of the Debian archive on our official media (installer images and live images). The included firmware binaries will normally be enabled by default where the system

determines that they are required, but where possible we will include ways for users to disable this at boot (boot menu option, kernel command line etc.).

When the installer/live system is running we will provide information to the user about what firmware has been loaded (both free and non-free), and we will also store that information on the target system such that users will be able to find it later.

Where non-free firmware is found to be necessary, the target system will also be configured to use the non-free-firmware component by default in the apt sources.list file. Our users should receive security updates and important fixes to firmware binaries
just like any other installed software.

We will publish these images as official Debian media, alongside the current media sets that do not include non-free firmware packages.

-------------------------------------------------------

(This is exactly "Proposal E" as found on https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003
now, except that in the very last sentence the word "replacing" has
been replaced with "alongside".)

--
cheers,
Holger

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C
⠈⠳⣄

The wrong Amazon is burning.

Seconded.

Thanks Holger!

--
Tiago

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* Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> [2022-09-14 15:00]:

hi,

I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like
proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image.

Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable
Debian installer images, for those cases were some included non-free
stuff else might limit distribution, eg to Iran or Cuba etc or
by imposing other restrictions...!

-----------------------------------------------------
Proposal F

This ballot option supersedes the Debian Social Contract (a foundation document) under point 4.1.5 of the constitution and thus requires a 3:1 majority.

The Debian Social Contract is replaced with a new version that is identical to the current version in all respects except that it adds the following sentence to the end of point 5:

The Debian official media may include firmware that is otherwise not
part of the Debian system to enable use of Debian with hardware that
requires such firmware.

The Debian Project also makes the following statement on an issue of the day:

We will include non-free firmware packages from the "non-free-firmware" section of the Debian archive on our official media (installer images and live images). The included firmware binaries will normally be enabled by default where the system

determines that they are required, but where possible we will include ways for users to disable this at boot (boot menu option, kernel command line etc.).

When the installer/live system is running we will provide information to the user about what firmware has been loaded (both free and non-free), and we will also store that information on the target system such that users will be able to find it later.

Where non-free firmware is found to be necessary, the target system will also be configured to use the non-free-firmware component by default in the apt sources.list file. Our users should receive security updates and important fixes to firmware binaries
just like any other installed software.

We will publish these images as official Debian media, alongside the current media sets that do not include non-free firmware packages.

-------------------------------------------------------

(This is exactly "Proposal E" as found on https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003
now, except that in the very last sentence the word "replacing" has
been replaced with "alongside".)

Seconded.


Cheers
Timo


--
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⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ │ Timo Röhling │
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ │ 9B03 EBB9 8300 DF97 C2B1 23BF CC8C 6BDD 1403 F4CA │
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Holger Levsen, on 2022-09-14:

Proposal F

This ballot option supersedes the Debian Social Contract (a foundation document) under point 4.1.5 of the constitution and thus requires a 3:1 majority.

The Debian Social Contract is replaced with a new version that is identical to the current version in all respects except that it adds the following sentence to the end of point 5:

The Debian official media may include firmware that is otherwise not
part of the Debian system to enable use of Debian with hardware that
requires such firmware.

The Debian Project also makes the following statement on an issue of the day:

We will include non-free firmware packages from the "non-free-firmware" section of the Debian archive on our official media (installer images and live images). The included firmware binaries will normally be enabled by default where the system

determines that they are required, but where possible we will include ways for users to disable this at boot (boot menu option, kernel command line etc.).

When the installer/live system is running we will provide information to the user about what firmware has been loaded (both free and non-free), and we will also store that information on the target system such that users will be able to find it later.

Where non-free firmware is found to be necessary, the target system will also be configured to use the non-free-firmware component by default in the apt sources.list file. Our users should receive security updates and important fixes to firmware binaries
just like any other installed software.

We will publish these images as official Debian media, alongside the current media sets that do not include non-free firmware packages.

Seconded.

Have a nice day, :)
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.''`. Étienne Mollier <emollier@debian.org>
: :' : gpg: 8f91 b227 c7d6 f2b1 948c 8236 793c f67e 8f0d 11da
`. `' sent from /dev/pts/4, please excuse my verbosity
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On Wednesday, 14 September 2022 22:00:26 +07 Holger Levsen wrote:

hi,

I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like
proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image.

Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable
Debian installer images, for those cases were some included non-free
stuff else might limit distribution, eg to Iran or Cuba etc or
by imposing other restrictions...!

-----------------------------------------------------
Proposal F

This ballot option supersedes the Debian Social Contract (a foundation document) under point 4.1.5 of the constitution and thus requires a 3:1 majority.

The Debian Social Contract is replaced with a new version that is identical to the current version in all respects except that it adds the following sentence to the end of point 5:

The Debian official media may include firmware that is otherwise not
part of the Debian system to enable use of Debian with hardware that
requires such firmware.

The Debian Project also makes the following statement on an issue of the day:

We will include non-free firmware packages from the "non-free-firmware" section of the Debian archive on our official media (installer images and live images). The included firmware binaries will normally be enabled by default where the system

determines that they are required, but where possible we will include ways for users to disable this at boot (boot menu option, kernel command line etc.).

When the installer/live system is running we will provide information to the user about what firmware has been loaded (both free and non-free), and we will also store that information on the target system such that users will be able to find it later.

Where non-free firmware is found to be necessary, the target system will also be configured to use the non-free-firmware component by default in the apt sources.list file. Our users should receive security updates and important fixes to firmware binaries
just like any other installed software.

We will publish these images as official Debian media, alongside the current media sets that do not include non-free firmware packages.

-------------------------------------------------------

(This is exactly "Proposal E" as found on https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003
now, except that in the very last sentence the word "replacing" has
been replaced with "alongside".)

Seconded.
I
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 03:00:26PM +0000, Holger Levsen wrote:

hi,

I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like
proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image.

Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable
Debian installer images, for those cases were some included non-free
stuff else might limit distribution, eg to Iran or Cuba etc or
by imposing other restrictions...!

-----------------------------------------------------
Proposal F

This ballot option supersedes the Debian Social Contract (a foundation document) under point 4.1.5 of the constitution and thus requires a 3:1 majority.

The Debian Social Contract is replaced with a new version that is identical to the current version in all respects except that it adds the following sentence to the end of point 5:

The Debian official media may include firmware that is otherwise not
part of the Debian system to enable use of Debian with hardware that
requires such firmware.

The Debian Project also makes the following statement on an issue of the day:

We will include non-free firmware packages from the "non-free-firmware" section of the Debian archive on our official media (installer images and live images). The included firmware binaries will normally be enabled by default where the system

determines that they are required, but where possible we will include ways for users to disable this at boot (boot menu option, kernel command line etc.).

When the installer/live system is running we will provide information to the user about what firmware has been loaded (both free and non-free), and we will also store that information on the target system such that users will be able to find it later.

Where non-free firmware is found to be necessary, the target system will also be configured to use the non-free-firmware component by default in the apt sources.list file. Our users should receive security updates and important fixes to firmware binaries
just like any other installed software.

We will publish these images as official Debian media, alongside the current media sets that do not include non-free firmware packages.

-------------------------------------------------------

(This is exactly "Proposal E" as found on https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003
now, except that in the very last sentence the word "replacing" has
been replaced with "alongside".)

Thanks, Holger!
Seconded.

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On 9/14/22 17:00, Holger Levsen wrote:

hi,

I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like
proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image.

Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable
Debian installer images, for those cases were some included non-free
stuff else might limit distribution, eg to Iran or Cuba etc or
by imposing other restrictions...!

-----------------------------------------------------
Proposal F

This ballot option supersedes the Debian Social Contract (a foundation document) under point 4.1.5 of the constitution and thus requires a 3:1 majority.

The Debian Social Contract is replaced with a new version that is identical to the current version in all respects except that it adds the following sentence to the end of point 5:

The Debian official media may include firmware that is otherwise not
part of the Debian system to enable use of Debian with hardware that
requires such firmware.

The Debian Project also makes the following statement on an issue of the day:

We will include non-free firmware packages from the "non-free-firmware" section of the Debian archive on our official media (installer images and live images). The included firmware binaries will normally be enabled by default where the system

determines that they are required, but where possible we will include ways for users to disable this at boot (boot menu option, kernel command line etc.).

When the installer/live system is running we will provide information to the user about what firmware has been loaded (both free and non-free), and we will also store that information on the target system such that users will be able to find it later.

Where non-free firmware is found to be necessary, the target system will also be configured to use the non-free-firmware component by default in the apt sources.list file. Our users should receive security updates and important fixes to firmware binaries
just like any other installed software.

We will publish these images as official Debian media, alongside the current media sets that do not include non-free firmware packages.

-------------------------------------------------------

(This is exactly "Proposal E" as found on https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003
now, except that in the very last sentence the word "replacing" has
been replaced with "alongside".)

seconded

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Holger Levsen dijo [Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 03:00:26PM +0000]:

hi,

I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like
proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image.

Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable
Debian installer images, for those cases were some included non-free
stuff else might limit distribution, eg to Iran or Cuba etc or
by imposing other restrictions...!

Thank you very much Holger!

-----------------------------------------------------
Proposal F

This ballot option supersedes the Debian Social Contract (a foundation document) under point 4.1.5 of the constitution and thus requires a 3:1 majority.

The Debian Social Contract is replaced with a new version that is identical to the current version in all respects except that it adds the following sentence to the end of point 5:

The Debian official media may include firmware that is otherwise not
part of the Debian system to enable use of Debian with hardware that
requires such firmware.

The Debian Project also makes the following statement on an issue of the day:

We will include non-free firmware packages from the "non-free-firmware" section of the Debian archive on our official media (installer images and live images). The included firmware binaries will normally be enabled by default where the system

determines that they are required, but where possible we will include ways for users to disable this at boot (boot menu option, kernel command line etc.).

When the installer/live system is running we will provide information to the user about what firmware has been loaded (both free and non-free), and we will also store that information on the target system such that users will be able to find it later.

Where non-free firmware is found to be necessary, the target system will also be configured to use the non-free-firmware component by default in the apt sources.list file. Our users should receive security updates and important fixes to firmware binaries
just like any other installed software.

We will publish these images as official Debian media, alongside the current media sets that do not include non-free firmware packages.

-------------------------------------------------------

(This is exactly "Proposal E" as found on https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003
now, except that in the very last sentence the word "replacing" has
been replaced with "alongside".)

Seconded.

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seconded

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Kurt

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Le mercredi, 14 septembre 2022, 17.00:26 h CEST Holger Levsen a �crit :

-----------------------------------------------------
Proposal F

This ballot option supersedes the Debian Social Contract (a foundation document) under point 4.1.5 of the constitution and thus requires a 3:1 majority.

The Debian Social Contract is replaced with a new version that is identical to the current version in all respects except that it adds the following sentence to the end of point 5:

The Debian official media may include firmware that is otherwise not
part of the Debian system to enable use of Debian with hardware that
requires such firmware.

The Debian Project also makes the following statement on an issue of the
day:

We will include non-free firmware packages from the "non-free-firmware" section of the Debian archive on our official media (installer images and live images). The included firmware binaries will normally be enabled by default where the system determines that they are required, but where possible we will include ways for users to disable this at boot (boot menu option, kernel command line etc.).

When the installer/live system is running we will provide information to the user about what firmware has been loaded (both free and non-free), and we will also store that information on the target system such that users will
be able to find it later. Where non-free firmware is found to be necessary, the target system will also be configured to use the non-free-firmware component by default in the apt sources.list file. Our users should receive security updates and important fixes to firmware binaries just like any
other installed software.

We will publish these images as official Debian media, alongside the current media sets that do not include non-free firmware packages.

-------------------------------------------------------

Seconded; thanks Holger!

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OdyX
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