On Mon, 2022-09-05 at 21:51 +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:

You can argue that the developers making the installer and live images,
and those maintaining the website can make those decisions. You can even
say that they have made decisions. So those options could be seen as overriding a Developer, using the power of the Technical Committee.

Assuming we actually went that way, 6.1.4 requires a 3:1 majority, but
4.1.4 only a 2:1 majority. I think we take the highest majority
requirement in that case, so 3:1.

I think it is bad to transfer supermajority requirements among one
group of voters (tech-ctte) to a very different group of voters (all
DD). Though I agree the constitution is not clear on this.

It might be better to just get rid of both supermajority requirements:
if 50% of all DDs agree on some implementation detail, it's probably
fine to do it that way. I don't see a good reason to require 67% to
agree: that would be the supermajority requirement for constitutional
changes in several countries (e.g., Germany).

The last part makes me think that the 3:1 supermajority requirement is
probably also too high... Because of the low number of voters in tech-
ctte it is practically often even higher than 3:1. So one should
probably also drop or at least lower it for tech-ctte decisions and
maybe lower it to 2:1 for changes to the constitution or foundation
documents, matching real-life constitutional changes.

Ansgar

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On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 08:09:15AM +0200, Ansgar wrote:

On Mon, 2022-09-05 at 21:51 +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:

You can argue that the developers making the installer and live images,
and those maintaining the website can make those decisions. You can even say that they have made decisions. So those options could be seen as overriding a Developer, using the power of the Technical Committee.

Assuming we actually went that way, 6.1.4 requires a 3:1 majority, but 4.1.4 only a 2:1 majority. I think we take the highest majority
requirement in that case, so 3:1.

I think it is bad to transfer supermajority requirements among one
group of voters (tech-ctte) to a very different group of voters (all
DD). Though I agree the constitution is not clear on this.

It might be better to just get rid of both supermajority requirements:
if 50% of all DDs agree on some implementation detail, it's probably
fine to do it that way. I don't see a good reason to require 67% to
agree: that would be the supermajority requirement for constitutional
changes in several countries (e.g., Germany).

Note that 3:1 is more like 75%, 2:1 is like 67%.


Kurt

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