• Updated installation images 2019-01-20

    From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 20 15:40:02 2019
    Hello!

    I have created updated installation images for Debian Ports,
    please find the updated images below and test them [1].

    Feedback welcome.

    Adrian

    [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/2019-01-20/

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  • From Bob Tracy@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Sun Jan 20 21:50:01 2019
    On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 03:32:10PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    Hello!

    I have created updated installation images for Debian Ports,
    please find the updated images below and test them [1].

    Feedback welcome.

    Adrian

    [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/2019-01-20/

    Thank you! I'll give the Alpha version a try in the next few days.
    Waiting on a 4.18 kernel build: should be done in the next 24 hours
    or so.

    --Bob

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to Bob Tracy on Mon Jan 21 00:50:01 2019
    Hi!

    On 1/20/19 9:40 PM, Bob Tracy wrote:
    Thank you! I'll give the Alpha version a try in the next few days.
    Waiting on a 4.18 kernel build: should be done in the next 24 hours
    or so.

    The klibc package included in the current images is affected by a
    serious bug which breaks the boot on nearly all architecture [1].

    I will therefore have to build new images once the new klibc package
    has been synced on the FTP mirrors.

    Adrian

    [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=919855

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  • From Frank Scheiner@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Mon Jan 21 10:20:02 2019
    Dear Adrian,

    On 1/21/19 00:42, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    Hi!

    On 1/20/19 9:40 PM, Bob Tracy wrote:
    Thank you! I'll give the Alpha version a try in the next few days.
    Waiting on a 4.18 kernel build: should be done in the next 24 hours
    or so.

    The klibc package included in the current images is affected by a
    serious bug which breaks the boot on nearly all architecture [1].

    I will therefore have to build new images once the new klibc package
    has been synced on the FTP mirrors.

    I did not yet check the ISO for Alpha, but what kernel version and type (non-MP/MP) does it include actually?

    Because we had that problem with non-MP kernels not working on many - if
    not all - Alpha machines earlier. And although it was actually fixed by Michael, the fix is only included since Linux v5.0-rc1 according to the
    tagging as I understand it, see [1] for details.

    [1]: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/6ab7d47bcbf0144a8cb81536c2cead4cde18acfe

    So maybe it'd be better to delay the rebuild until after Linux 5.0
    reaches unstable?

    Cheers,
    Frank

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  • From Michael Cree@21:1/5 to Frank Scheiner on Mon Jan 21 11:00:04 2019
    On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:09:29AM +0100, Frank Scheiner wrote:
    Dear Adrian,

    On 1/21/19 00:42, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    Hi!

    On 1/20/19 9:40 PM, Bob Tracy wrote:
    Thank you! I'll give the Alpha version a try in the next few days. Waiting on a 4.18 kernel build: should be done in the next 24 hours
    or so.

    The klibc package included in the current images is affected by a
    serious bug which breaks the boot on nearly all architecture [1].

    I will therefore have to build new images once the new klibc package
    has been synced on the FTP mirrors.

    I did not yet check the ISO for Alpha, but what kernel version and type (non-MP/MP) does it include actually?

    Because we had that problem with non-MP kernels not working on many - if
    not all - Alpha machines earlier. And although it was actually fixed by Michael, the fix is only included since Linux v5.0-rc1 according to the tagging as I understand it, see [1] for details.

    [1]: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/6ab7d47bcbf0144a8cb81536c2cead4cde18acfe

    So maybe it'd be better to delay the rebuild until after Linux 5.0
    reaches unstable?

    We should get that backported to the stable series.

    I've added a comment to: https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/merge_requests/79

    Cheers
    Michael.

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to Skye on Fri May 10 18:00:01 2019
    Hi!

    On 5/10/19 5:42 PM, Skye wrote:
    Thank you! I'll give the Alpha version a try in the next few days.
    Waiting on a 4.18 kernel build: should be done in the next 24 hours
    or so.

    Does this new install image require updated firmware? I am running a series of AlphaStation 255 boxes with firmware circa 1999.

    Updating your firmware should not be necessary. So, just give it a try
    and report back. You might run into a problem with missing firmware
    on the installation medium. This is a known issue and being worked on.

    Adrian

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  • From Skye@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 10 17:50:02 2019
    Thank you! I'll give the Alpha version a try in the next few days.
    Waiting on a 4.18 kernel build: should be done in the next 24 hours
    or so.

    Does this new install image require updated firmware? I am running a series
    of AlphaStation 255 boxes with firmware circa 1999.

    Thanks!

    Skye

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  • From Skye@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Fri May 10 18:50:01 2019
    On 5/10/2019 10:35AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

    Hi!

    On 5/10/19 5:42 PM, Skye wrote:
    Thank you! I'll give the Alpha version a try in the next few days.
    Waiting on a 4.18 kernel build: should be done in the next 24 hours
    or so.

    Does this new install image require updated firmware? I am running a series >> of AlphaStation 255 boxes with firmware circa 1999.

    Updating your firmware should not be necessary. So, just give it a try
    and report back. You might run into a problem with missing firmware
    on the installation medium. This is a known issue and being worked on.

    Adrian

    Much obliged Adrian. I have a go at it and see what happens.

    -Skye

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 10 21:20:01 2019
    On May 10, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Skye <skye@20maguire.com> wrote:

    I was able to boot from CDROM and the loading ran fine until it got to the hardware discovery phase. It was unable to find the CD-ROM hardware. My AlphaStations all have the Toshiba SCSI CD-ROM player.

    Most likely missing firmware on the installation CD. I will have to build another set of images to fix this.

    Adrian

    PS: Please keep debian-alpha@ in the loop.

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  • From Skye@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 10 21:30:01 2019
    From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [mailto:glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de]
    Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 1:11 PM

    On May 10, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Skye <skye@20maguire.com> wrote:

    I was able to boot from CDROM and the loading ran fine until it got
    to the
    hardware discovery phase. It was unable to find the CD-ROM hardware.
    My
    AlphaStations all have the Toshiba SCSI CD-ROM player.

    Most likely missing firmware on the installation CD. I will have to
    build another set of images to fix this.

    Adrian

    PS: Please keep debian-alpha@ in the loop.

    Mea culpa. Fat fingered the response...

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  • From Frank Scheiner@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Fri May 10 21:40:01 2019
    On 5/10/19 21:11, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    On May 10, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Skye <skye@20maguire.com> wrote:

    I was able to boot from CDROM and the loading ran fine until it got to the >> hardware discovery phase. It was unable to find the CD-ROM hardware. My
    AlphaStations all have the Toshiba SCSI CD-ROM player.

    Good to hear that! Last time I tested Debian GNU/Linux Sid (not the
    installer!) on my older AlphaStations with EV4(5) they hang during
    kernel boot. Looks like I should give them another try with the current
    kernel and userland. Thanks for the encouraging information. :-)

    Cheers,
    Frank

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  • From Skye@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 10 22:10:01 2019
    Frank Scheiner [mailto:frank.scheiner@web.de] appears to have written:

    On 5/10/19 21:11, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    On May 10, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Skye <skye@20maguire.com> wrote:

    I was able to boot from CDROM and the loading ran fine until it got
    to the
    hardware discovery phase. It was unable to find the CD-ROM
    hardware. My
    AlphaStations all have the Toshiba SCSI CD-ROM player.

    Good to hear that! Last time I tested Debian GNU/Linux Sid (not the installer!) on my older AlphaStations with EV4(5) they hang during
    kernel boot. Looks like I should give them another try with the
    current kernel and userland. Thanks for the encouraging information.
    :-)

    Cheers,
    Frank

    Cheers Frank!

    Yes, it is encouraging. Kudos to Adrian and team for all their work.

    If anyone knows of a decent rescue disk for Alpha please let me know. I have two workstations which require password recovery.

    Skye

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  • From Michael Cree@21:1/5 to Frank Scheiner on Fri May 10 23:10:02 2019
    On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 09:31:02PM +0200, Frank Scheiner wrote:
    On 5/10/19 21:11, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    On May 10, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Skye <skye@20maguire.com> wrote:

    I was able to boot from CDROM and the loading ran fine until it got to the
    hardware discovery phase. It was unable to find the CD-ROM hardware. My AlphaStations all have the Toshiba SCSI CD-ROM player.

    Good to hear that! Last time I tested Debian GNU/Linux Sid (not the installer!) on my older AlphaStations with EV4(5) they hang during
    kernel boot. Looks like I should give them another try with the current kernel and userland. Thanks for the encouraging information. :-)

    Yes, the generic kernel has been fixed and uploaded into the archive.
    It should now boot correctly.

    Cheers,
    Michael.

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  • From Frank Scheiner@21:1/5 to Michael Cree on Mon May 13 17:40:01 2019
    On 5/10/19 23:03, Michael Cree wrote:
    On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 09:31:02PM +0200, Frank Scheiner wrote:
    On 5/10/19 21:11, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    On May 10, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Skye <skye@20maguire.com> wrote:

    I was able to boot from CDROM and the loading ran fine until it got to the >>>> hardware discovery phase. It was unable to find the CD-ROM hardware. My >>>> AlphaStations all have the Toshiba SCSI CD-ROM player.

    Good to hear that! Last time I tested Debian GNU/Linux Sid (not the
    installer!) on my older AlphaStations with EV4(5) they hang during
    kernel boot. Looks like I should give them another try with the current
    kernel and userland. Thanks for the encouraging information. :-)

    Yes, the generic kernel has been fixed and uploaded into the archive.
    It should now boot correctly.

    Yes, Michael, I think so, too. But last time I tested my AlphaStations
    200 and 255 I used the MP kernel, as the SP kernel did just crash the machine(s) and they did hang with the MP kernel about halfway during the
    kernel boot and couldn't finish booting then - while other SP Alpha
    machines worked flawlessly with the MP kernel.

    UPDATE: Just finished my testing on my AlphaStations 200 and 255 and
    also tested my AXPpci 33 in addition and can confirm, that the current
    SP kernel (4.19.0-5) works on these. Great to have the AlphaStations
    back on Linux :-), IIRC the AXPpci 33 didn't show the hangs mentioned
    earlier.

    I only had some strange issue on the AlphaStation 255, where it looked
    like the machine "hang" for while (maybe 15 or 30 seconds) and then
    continued during kernel boot. The strange thing here was, that the
    timestamps of the following kernel messages didn't reflect these hangs.
    E.g. although the machine looked like it was blocked for a 20 seconds or
    so, the next message didn't had that amount of time added to the
    timestamp value. Maybe a hardware issue, as the NVRAM battery is
    depleted on this machine. But could be unrelated, as the AXPpci 33's
    NVRAM battery is also depleted and no such issues there.

    Ever noticed something like that on your Alpha machines?

    Cheers,
    Frank

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