• 11.8 planning

    From Jonathan Wiltshire@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 19 23:10:01 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.devel.release, linux.debian.maint.boot

    Hi,

    I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's because the timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate weekends,
    but they could also be stretched[1] and combined.

    Two months from 29th April is around the 1st July, so I propose:

    1st July
    8th July
    15th July at a push


    1: a shame that joke hasn't worked for some years now


    Thanks,

    --
    Jonathan Wiltshire jmw@debian.org
    Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw

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  • From Cyril Brulebois@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 19 23:20:01 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.devel.release, linux.debian.maint.boot

    Hi,

    Jonathan Wiltshire <jmw@debian.org> (2023-06-19):
    I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's because the timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate weekends, but they could also be stretched[1] and combined.

    Two months from 29th April is around the 1st July, so I propose:

    1st July
    8th July
    15th July at a push

    I can push the d-i buttons for any dates; I think I'd rather avoid
    having to do debian-cd bits if others are available (it'd be a chance
    to finalize my streamlining work, but the past few months have been
    absolutely exhausting; I'd like to take a breather, or ten).


    Cheers,
    --
    Cyril Brulebois (kibi@debian.org) <https://debamax.com/>
    D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

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  • From Donald Norwood@21:1/5 to Jonathan Wiltshire on Tue Jun 20 01:30:01 2023
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  • From Steve McIntyre@21:1/5 to Jonathan Wiltshire on Tue Jun 20 14:40:01 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.devel.release, linux.debian.maint.boot

    On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 10:02:27PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
    Hi,

    I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's because the >timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate weekends, >but they could also be stretched[1] and combined.

    Two months from 29th April is around the 1st July, so I propose:

    1st July
    8th July
    15th July at a push


    1: a shame that joke hasn't worked for some years now

    1st July is out for me, but I can do the others fine.

    --
    Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com The two hard things in computing:
    * naming things
    * cache invalidation
    * off-by-one errors -- Stig Sandbeck Mathisen

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  • From Mark Hymers@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 20 14:20:01 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.devel.release, linux.debian.maint.boot

    On Mon, 19, Jun, 2023 at 10:02:27PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire spoke thus..
    Hi,

    I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's because the timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate weekends, but they could also be stretched[1] and combined.

    Two months from 29th April is around the 1st July, so I propose:

    1st July
    8th July
    15th July at a push

    Same as the 12.1 - 15th is out, but 1st and 8th are ok.

    Mark

    --
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  • From Adam D. Barratt@21:1/5 to Jonathan Wiltshire on Tue Jun 20 19:20:01 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.devel.release, linux.debian.maint.boot

    On Mon, 2023-06-19 at 22:02 +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
    I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's
    because the
    timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate
    weekends,
    but they could also be stretched[1] and combined.

    Two months from 29th April is around the 1st July, so I propose:


    As we discussed on IRC, when we have both stable and oldstable point
    releases to do, they should happen on the same day. Otherwise, version
    skew from packages such as browsers and OpenJDK causes us more work
    (e.g. openjdk-17 is already at opu > stable). Not that it's directly
    relevant to this discussion, but the stable point release should also
    always be first - both because it resolves the version skew more
    neatly, and because it means the images team can get started on
    handling stable while the rest of us deal with oldstable.

    The traditional cadence for oldstable point releases is four months,
    rather than two. That technically means that 11.8 would be due
    somewhere in late August to mid-September. So we could either punt 11.8
    so it aligns with 12.2 rather than 12.1, or do 11.8 together with 12.1
    and then align 11.9 with 12.3.

    I think I'd prefer the latter option, i.e. we do 11.8+12.1 in July,
    12.2 probably September, then 11.9+12.3 Novemberish.

    1st July
    8th July
    15th July at a push

    The 1st would mean freezing this coming weekend, which is very tight.

    As per the 12.1 mail, either the 8th or 15th would work for me, with a preference for the latter. Given the explanation above though, I think
    the 22nd would be fine for 11.8 as well.

    Regards,

    Adam

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  • From Donald Norwood@21:1/5 to Adam D. Barratt on Wed Jun 21 12:40:01 2023
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  • From Jonathan Wiltshire@21:1/5 to Adam D. Barratt on Sat Jun 24 16:20:01 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.devel.release, linux.debian.maint.boot

    On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 06:15:30PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
    The traditional cadence for oldstable point releases is four months,
    rather than two. That technically means that 11.8 would be due
    somewhere in late August to mid-September. So we could either punt 11.8
    so it aligns with 12.2 rather than 12.1, or do 11.8 together with 12.1
    and then align 11.9 with 12.3.

    I think I'd prefer the latter option, i.e. we do 11.8+12.1 in July,
    12.2 probably September, then 11.9+12.3 Novemberish.


    Yes, I had forgotten about the transition to oldstable candece. I was going
    to suggest, though, that 11.8 gets pushed back to cadence with 12.2 and we
    just do 12.1 on its own first. How does that sound?


    --
    Jonathan Wiltshire jmw@debian.org
    Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw

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  • From Steve McIntyre@21:1/5 to Jonathan Wiltshire on Sat Jun 24 18:40:01 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.devel.release, linux.debian.maint.boot

    On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 03:17:22PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
    On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 06:15:30PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
    The traditional cadence for oldstable point releases is four months,
    rather than two. That technically means that 11.8 would be due
    somewhere in late August to mid-September. So we could either punt 11.8
    so it aligns with 12.2 rather than 12.1, or do 11.8 together with 12.1
    and then align 11.9 with 12.3.

    I think I'd prefer the latter option, i.e. we do 11.8+12.1 in July,
    12.2 probably September, then 11.9+12.3 Novemberish.


    Yes, I had forgotten about the transition to oldstable candece. I was going >to suggest, though, that 11.8 gets pushed back to cadence with 12.2 and we >just do 12.1 on its own first. How does that sound?

    WFM.

    --
    Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com "...In the UNIX world, people tend to interpret `non-technical user'
    as meaning someone who's only ever written one device driver." -- Daniel Pead

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  • From Luna Jernberg@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 26 14:00:02 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.devel.release, linux.debian.maint.boot

    Can help the 1th or 8th July the 15th i am having vacation

    2023-06-19 23:02 GMT+02:00, Jonathan Wiltshire <jmw@debian.org>:
    Hi,

    I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's because the timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate weekends, but they could also be stretched[1] and combined.

    Two months from 29th April is around the 1st July, so I propose:

    1st July
    8th July
    15th July at a push


    1: a shame that joke hasn't worked for some years now


    Thanks,

    --
    Jonathan Wiltshire jmw@debian.org
    Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw

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  • From Adam D. Barratt@21:1/5 to Donald Norwood on Mon Jun 26 18:30:01 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.devel.release, linux.debian.maint.boot

    Hi Donald,

    On Wed, 2023-06-21 at 06:33 -0400, Donald Norwood wrote:
    Hi,

    On 6/20/23 13:15, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
    The traditional cadence for oldstable point releases is four
    months,
    rather than two. That technically means that 11.8 would be due
    somewhere in late August to mid-September. So we could either punt
    11.8
    so it aligns with 12.2 rather than 12.1, or do 11.8 together with
    12.1
    and then align 11.9 with 12.3.
    ...
    The 1st would mean freezing this coming weekend, which is very
    tight.

    As per the 12.1 mail, either the 8th or 15th would work for me,
    with a
    preference for the latter. Given the explanation above though, I
    think
    the 22nd would be fine for 11.8 as well.

    I think pushing everything forward at this time would be advisable
    as several people have indicated that they need a breather. A slight
    delay may be ideal.

    I'm assuming you mean what at least in en_GB is normally referred to as "pushing things back" - i.e. making things later than suggested.

    Did you just mean that we should opt for the later of the dates
    suggested (July 22nd), or did you have something else in mind?

    Regards,

    Adam

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  • From Donald Norwood@21:1/5 to Adam D. Barratt on Tue Jun 27 21:50:02 2023
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  • From Jonathan Wiltshire@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 28 09:20:02 2023
    XPost: linux.debian.devel.release, linux.debian.maint.boot

    After some discusion we'll leave 11.8 until its proper cadence in September
    and combine it with 12.2.


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    Jonathan Wiltshire jmw@debian.org
    Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw

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