• full CD installer, non netinst

    From Joseph@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 30 11:10:02 2021
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    Hello,
    I'm looking for the smallest full installer possible with just xfce (CD installer for example < 700MB), that works without internet, non netinst.
    I know this existed for 10.4, I still have:

    "debian-10.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso" which is 640 MB

    I'm looking for the same thing for 11.0, but when searching on:

    https://get.debian.org/images/ https://get.debian.org/images/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/

    there are only "netinst" vesions, such as debian-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso.

    Question: does

    "debian-11.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso" < 700 MB

    exist?

    Thanks in advance
    Jo

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    <div dir="ltr">Hello,<div>I&#39;m looking for the smallest full installer possible with just xfce (CD installer for example &lt; 700MB), that works without internet, non netinst.</div><div>I know this existed for 10.4, I still have:</div><div><br></div><
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    debian.org/images/</a><br></div><div><a href="https://get.debian.org/images/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/">https://get.debian.org/images/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>there are only &quot;netinst&quot; vesions, such as 
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    <div>Jo</div></div>
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  • From Andrew M.A. Cater@21:1/5 to Joseph on Thu Sep 30 11:30:02 2021
    On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 08:39:14AM +0000, Joseph wrote:
    Hello,
    I'm looking for the smallest full installer possible with just xfce (CD installer for example < 700MB), that works without internet, non netinst.
    I know this existed for 10.4, I still have:

    "debian-10.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso" which is 640 MB

    I'm looking for the same thing for 11.0, but when searching on:

    https://get.debian.org/images/ https://get.debian.org/images/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/

    there are only "netinst" vesions, such as debian-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso.

    Question: does

    "debian-11.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso" < 700 MB

    exist?

    Thanks in advance
    Jo

    Hi Jo,

    No, I'm sorry, it no longer does. The XFCE single CD got too large to fit
    on a single 640/700 CD dnd the team that releases the CD/DVD etc. images
    took the decision to drop it. Essentially, the process was to squeeze as
    many packages as possible onto one CD to make a desktop environment. XFCE
    was the smallest - when that ceased to fit, there was no straightforward
    way forward. The number of people using genuine physical CD media is also smaller than it was (but non-zero).

    At the same time, the number of DVDs was also reduced for Debian 11. Whereas for Buster we made the first three .iso images, for Bullseye there is one:
    the others can be built using jigdo. Again, the numbers of people wanting physical DVD images is smaller (but non-zero). if you really want DVDs
    for archival purposes, they're available to make - but they're necessarily
    out of date almost immediately on the day of release as security updates etc. happen.

    The netinst will work well to install any desktop: if you happen to be disconnected from any network, DVD1 should well work (though you might conceivably need DVD2 or DVD3 for some packages.) If that's still
    inconvenient, get someone with jigdo to produce the 16G image meant
    for USB sticks or the Blu-Ray sizes which can also be written directly
    to USB and will boot.

    Hope this helps. With every good wish, as ever

    Andy Cater

    [Part of the images team on release days though not directly triggering the releases.]

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  • From Steve McIntyre@21:1/5 to Joseph on Thu Sep 30 11:30:02 2021
    Hi Joseph!

    On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 08:39:14AM +0000, Joseph wrote:

    I'm looking for the smallest full installer possible with just xfce (CD >installer for example < 700MB), that works without internet, non netinst.
    I know this existed for 10.4, I still have:

    "debian-10.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso" which is 640 MB

    I'm looking for the same thing for 11.0, but when searching on:

    https://get.debian.org/images/ >https://get.debian.org/images/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/

    there are only "netinst" vesions, such asdebian-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso.

    Question: does

    "debian-11.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso" < 700 MB

    exist?

    I'm afraid not, no. We found that it's been getting harder and harder
    to make a sensible desktop fit onto small media, even with something
    simpler like xfce. So I took the decision to stop producing the xfce
    CD image during the 11.x (Bullseye) development cycle.

    --
    Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com You lock the door
    And throw away the key
    There's someone in my head but it's not me

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  • From Linux-Fan@21:1/5 to Andrew M.A. Cater on Thu Sep 30 13:40:01 2021
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    Andrew M.A. Cater writes:

    On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 08:39:14AM +0000, Joseph wrote:
    Hello,
    I'm looking for the smallest full installer possible with just xfce (CD installer for example < 700MB), that works without internet, non netinst.
    I know this existed for 10.4, I still have:

    "debian-10.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso" which is 640 MB

    [...]

    No, I'm sorry, it no longer does. The XFCE single CD got too large to fit
    on a single 640/700 CD dnd the team that releases the CD/DVD etc. images

    [...]

    The netinst will work well to install any desktop: if you happen to be disconnected from any network, DVD1 should well work (though you might conceivably need DVD2 or DVD3 for some packages.) If that's still inconvenient, get someone with jigdo to produce the 16G image meant
    for USB sticks or the Blu-Ray sizes which can also be written directly
    to USB and will boot.

    [...]

    I am not sure if it qualifies for a "full installer", but the live images allow the installation of Debian with specified Desktop environment. For XFCE, the image would be as follows:

    https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.0.0-amd64-xfce.iso

    With 2.3G it is, however, much larger than a single CD although it still
    fits a cheap 4G USB pendrive. It might thus be easier to use than a 16G
    image or handling multiple installation DVDs.

    HTH
    Linux-Fan

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