Greetings.

I have been trying to package packages related to Elemetary OS's Pantheon for Debian. Several months ago I submitted a few of them to mentors.d.n, and found sponsors, and those packages got accepted. Then they entered the NEW queue. I decided to wait for those packages to make it into the distribution before submitting new ones.

I lost track of the time it took for those packages to actually receive a response from the ftp masters. Now, I know all work is voluntary and I don't want to demand anything, but being frank I just got tired of waiting. I had completely forgotten about those packages when I got a response for them, saying
that they were rejected. I don't feel motivated at all to actually fix the problems that were pointed out about them.

I'm trying to find motivation to work on them once more to fix those issues and then go through the whole process again, but the thought of having to
wait several months again to see if everything is acceptable is really discouraging.

So, I turn to the mentors present in this discussion list for incentive. Should I try again? Is there anything to say?

Thanks in advance.
Francisco

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On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 02:32:43PM +0000, Thomas Ward wrote:

When there's a rejected package there should be a rejection reason.
That's where you should start. Don't be discouraged, I've had my
packages rejected before (note: I'm not a mentor / DD, but I have been through this process before), it hasn't stopped me from contributing
anywhere yet. Usually, when there's a rejection, there's a *reason* for
it and that reason should be documented somewhere and sent to you via
email - I would look for those rejection emails and see what the
reasoning was for the rejection.

That's not the stated reason though:

the thought of having to wait several months again to see if everything is acceptable is really discouraging

--
WBR, wRAR

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Hi Francisco

On 2022/08/15 11:36, Francisco M Neto wrote:

I have been trying to package packages related to Elemetary OS's Pantheon for Debian. Several months ago I submitted a few of them to mentors.d.n, and found sponsors, and those packages got accepted. Then they entered the NEW queue. I decided to wait for those packages to make it into the
distribution before submitting new ones.

I lost track of the time it took for those packages to actually receive a response from the ftp masters. Now, I know all work is voluntary and I don't
want to demand anything, but being frank I just got tired of waiting. I had completely forgotten about those packages when I got a response for them, saying
that they were rejected. I don't feel motivated at all to actually fix the problems that were pointed out about them.

I'm trying to find motivation to work on them once more to fix those issues and then go through the whole process again, but the thought of having to
wait several months again to see if everything is acceptable is really discouraging.

So, I turn to the mentors present in this discussion list for incentive. Should I try again? Is there anything to say?

I think you should try again. You've made too much progress to through
it away. That said, I can understand how it's very frustrating, it's
often even the case for long DDs when the NEW queue gets long. We're
aware of that problem, and there's some good ideas to make it better
(like making it possible for any DD to give feedback on a package for
faster rejects + feedback), but it's not yet implemented (and right now,
I don't think anyone is working on it either).

However, after time, every process in Debian does get better, and
patience usually pays off. I hope you give it another shot.

-Jonathan

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Hi Fransico,

* Francisco M Neto <fmneto@fmneto.com> [220815 11:36]:

So, I turn to the mentors present in this discussion list for incentive. Should I try again? Is there anything to say?

That's a tough question, and I can see why what happend can be
demotivating. But in the end regardless of what you will receive as
answer: You will have to find the question to that for yourselve.

Surely it is a comittment to maintain a package in Debian, and that's
why the easy answer would be: If you currently don't think, that you'll
be able to have the motivation to maintain it properly, it is best to
give up now.

But you can also take a look back: You arleady learned a lot of the
technical part and convinced someone that your package(s) should be part
of Debian. That is already quite a lot. Now you only have to fix the remaining thing. And the good thing about that is, that you got a
reason and know where you have to invest some more work. And you have
this mailing lists, which might be able to help you, if you share the
reject reason.

And if you get the problem fixed fast and a new package uploaded, I
would say it is worth a try to ask the ftp-team to recheck the package
while they have fresh memory of the issue. That's not unheard of, but
of course I can't promise anything.


Best regards,
Alexander


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Greetings!

I'd like to thank everyone who responded to this message. The past months have been challenging for a series of reasons that don't really fit the scope of this list so I'm going to leave it at that. Suffice it to say, I'm willing to try again. Packaging software for Debian and (eventually) becoming a DD is an old aspiration of mine, and I'm not ready to give up on that just yet.

Cheers,
Francisco

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 19:54 +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote:

Hi Francisco

On 2022/08/15 11:36, Francisco M Neto wrote:

        I have been trying to package packages related to Elemetary OS's
Pantheon for Debian. Several months ago I submitted a few of them to mentors.d.n, and found sponsors, and those packages got accepted. Then they entered the NEW queue. I decided to wait for those packages to make it into the
distribution before submitting new ones.

        I lost track of the time it took for those packages to actually
receive
a response from the ftp masters. Now, I know all work is voluntary and I don't
want to demand anything, but being frank I just got tired of waiting. I had completely forgotten about those packages when I got a response for them, saying
that they were rejected. I don't feel motivated at all to actually fix the problems that were pointed out about them.

        I'm trying to find motivation to work on them once more to fix those
issues and then go through the whole process again, but the thought of having to
wait several months again to see if everything is acceptable is really discouraging.

        So, I turn to the mentors present in this discussion list for
incentive. Should I try again? Is there anything to say?

I think you should try again. You've made too much progress to through
it away. That said, I can understand how it's very frustrating, it's
often even the case for long DDs when the NEW queue gets long. We're
aware of that problem, and there's some good ideas to make it better
(like making it possible for any DD to give feedback on a package for
faster rejects + feedback), but it's not yet implemented (and right now,
I don't think anyone is working on it either).

However, after time, every process in Debian does get better, and
patience usually pays off. I hope you give it another shot.

-Jonathan

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