• Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2023-06-06

    From Frank Scheiner@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Tue Jun 6 16:40:02 2023
    Hi!

    On 06.06.23 16:22, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    Hello!

    On Tue, 2023-06-06 at 16:19 +0200, Frank Scheiner wrote:
    On 06.06.23 15:52, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    Hello!

    I have created updated installation images for Debian Ports.

    These can be found here:

    - https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2023-06-06/

    I have already successfully tested the sparc64 installer.

    On what machine did you test it?

    Inside an LDOM on a SPARC-T5.

    Thanks, good to know.

    Cheers,
    Frank

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to Frank Scheiner on Tue Jun 6 16:30:01 2023
    Hello!

    On Tue, 2023-06-06 at 16:19 +0200, Frank Scheiner wrote:
    On 06.06.23 15:52, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    Hello!

    I have created updated installation images for Debian Ports.

    These can be found here:

    - https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2023-06-06/

    I have already successfully tested the sparc64 installer.

    On what machine did you test it?

    Inside an LDOM on a SPARC-T5.

    Adrian

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  • From Frank Scheiner@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Tue Jun 6 16:20:01 2023
    Hi Adrian,

    On 06.06.23 15:52, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    Hello!

    I have created updated installation images for Debian Ports.

    These can be found here:

    - https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2023-06-06/

    I have already successfully tested the sparc64 installer.

    On what machine did you test it?

    Cheers,
    Frank

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  • From Dennis Clarke@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Wed Jun 7 06:50:01 2023
    On 6/6/23 09:52, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    Hello!

    I have created updated installation images for Debian Ports.

    These can be found here:

    - https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2023-06-06/

    I have already successfully tested the sparc64 installer.


    I am going to try the process on the Fujitsu SPARC64 M3000 unit and
    even stream it live on YouTube just to have witnesses see how it all
    goes up in flames. https://www.youtube.com/@lastmiles/streams



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  • From Dennis Clarke@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Wed Jun 7 08:10:01 2023
    On 6/6/23 09:52, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    Hello!

    I have created updated installation images for Debian Ports.

    These can be found here:

    - https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2023-06-06/

    I have already successfully tested the sparc64 installer.



    Sadly the Fujitsu M3000 SPARC64 VII+ does bad things after we see GRUB :

    (1) from the expert install option

    Loading ...

    ERROR: Last Trap: Division by Zero
    %TL:1 %TT:28 %TPC:10abf30 %TnPC:10abf34 %TSTATE:4480001604
    %PSTATE:16 ( IE:1 PRIV:1 PEF:1 )

    (2) from the default install option

    Loading ...

    ERROR: Last Trap: Division by Zero
    %TL:1 %TT:28 %TPC:10abf30 %TnPC:10abf34 %TSTATE:4480001604
    %PSTATE:16 ( IE:1 PRIV:1 PEF:1 )


    {0} ok


    Sadly this machine seems to be nothing but a fancy brick with 64G of
    expensive ECC memory etc etc.



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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to Dennis Clarke on Wed Jun 7 09:10:01 2023
    Hi Dennis!

    On Wed, 2023-06-07 at 02:02 -0400, Dennis Clarke wrote:
    On 6/6/23 09:52, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    Hello!

    I have created updated installation images for Debian Ports.

    These can be found here:

    - https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2023-06-06/

    I have already successfully tested the sparc64 installer.



    Sadly the Fujitsu M3000 SPARC64 VII+ does bad things after we see GRUB : (...)
    Sadly this machine seems to be nothing but a fancy brick with 64G of
    expensive ECC memory etc etc.

    I don't think the Fujitsu SPARC64 CPUs were ever officially supported by
    the Linux kernel, were they? Probably not going to happen in the future
    either.

    Adrian

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  • From Dennis Clarke@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Wed Jun 7 09:20:01 2023
    On 6/7/23 03:03, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    Hi Dennis!


    Good day Sir !


    Sadly the Fujitsu M3000 SPARC64 VII+ does bad things after we see GRUB :
    (...)
    Sadly this machine seems to be nothing but a fancy brick with 64G of
    expensive ECC memory etc etc.

    I don't think the Fujitsu SPARC64 CPUs were ever officially supported by
    the Linux kernel, were they? Probably not going to happen in the future either.


    Sadly the machine isa bit of a brick. Maybe NetBSD works? No idea.

    However a much older and smaller UltraSPARC IIi Netra seems to be
    working just perfect. I am doing the install now, live, streaming on
    YouTube.

    To say the least it is a slow and boring stream :)

    But it works !


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  • From Dennis Clarke@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Wed Jun 7 09:40:01 2023
    On 6/7/23 03:17, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    Hi!

    On Wed, 2023-06-07 at 03:10 -0400, Dennis Clarke wrote:
    Sadly the machine isa bit of a brick. Maybe NetBSD works? No idea.

    However a much older and smaller UltraSPARC IIi Netra seems to be
    working just perfect. I am doing the install now, live, streaming on
    YouTube.

    To say the least it is a slow and boring stream :)

    But it works !

    That's good to hear. You should run some CPU-intensive code on the machine once it's installed to see how reliable the current kernel is. Also, try kernel 6.3 from experimental.

    Adrian


    One of the first things I plan on doing is a bootstrap of GCC 13.x
    and then also binutils ( maybe? maybe not? ) and of course a kernel.
    That will keep the machine thrashing for at least a week. With Gentoo I
    saw an update time of the machine take well over 190 hours. Awesome
    throughput with plenty of swap needed.



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  • From Dennis Clarke@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Wed Jun 7 10:00:01 2023
    On 6/7/23 03:03, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    Hi Dennis!
    .
    .
    .
    Sadly this machine seems to be nothing but a fancy brick with 64G of
    expensive ECC memory etc etc.

    I don't think the Fujitsu SPARC64 CPUs were ever officially supported by
    the Linux kernel, were they? Probably not going to happen in the future either.

    Someone pointed out to me that the problem was seen back in 2017 :

    https://oss.oracle.com/pipermail/linux-sparc-users/2017-October/000029.html

    So looks like no joy with Linux ever. However my other sparcv9 machines
    may be perfectly fine. I will be doing tests.

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to Dennis Clarke on Wed Jun 7 10:10:01 2023
    On Wed, 2023-06-07 at 03:36 -0400, Dennis Clarke wrote:
    One of the first things I plan on doing is a bootstrap of GCC 13.x
    and then also binutils ( maybe? maybe not? ) and of course a kernel.
    That will keep the machine thrashing for at least a week. With Gentoo I
    saw an update time of the machine take well over 190 hours. Awesome throughput with plenty of swap needed.

    You should run the GCC testsuite which really tortures the hardware.

    Btw, I had a quick glimpse through your video and saw that you were
    confused by the kernel used by the installer which is still at 6.1.x.

    The 6.3.x kernels are part of experimental only at the moment since
    Debian Bookworm is going to be released with a 6.1.x kernel which is
    an LTS kernel.

    Since debian-installer images are always built from unstable, the installer
    is currently stuck at kernel 6.1.x but you can install the experimental
    kernel using this sources.list [1] afterwards with:

    # apt install linux-image-sparc64-smp -t=experimental

    Adrian

    [1] https://people.debian.org/~glaubitz/sources.list.experimental

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  • From Dennis Clarke@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Wed Jun 7 10:40:01 2023
    On 6/7/23 04:03, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
    On Wed, 2023-06-07 at 03:36 -0400, Dennis Clarke wrote:
    One of the first things I plan on doing is a bootstrap of GCC 13.x
    and then also binutils ( maybe? maybe not? ) and of course a kernel.
    That will keep the machine thrashing for at least a week. With Gentoo I
    saw an update time of the machine take well over 190 hours. Awesome
    throughput with plenty of swap needed.

    You should run the GCC testsuite which really tortures the hardware.

    Btw, I had a quick glimpse through your video and saw that you were
    confused by the kernel used by the installer which is still at 6.1.x.

    The 6.3.x kernels are part of experimental only at the moment since
    Debian Bookworm is going to be released with a 6.1.x kernel which is
    an LTS kernel.

    Since debian-installer images are always built from unstable, the installer is currently stuck at kernel 6.1.x but you can install the experimental kernel using this sources.list [1] afterwards with:

    # apt install linux-image-sparc64-smp -t=experimental

    Adrian

    You're timing is excellent! I was just looking at :

    root@nix:~# cat /proc/version
    Linux version 6.1.0-9-sparc64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc-12
    (Debian 12.2.0-12) 12.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.40) #1
    Debian 6.1.27-1 (2023-05-08)
    root@nix:~#

    Which, yes, confused me somewhat.
    Regardless I will not need the SMP kernel on this old machine.

    I will use precisely what I see at :

    https://people.debian.org/~glaubitz/sources.list.experimental

    Then try :

    root@nix:~#
    root@nix:~#
    root@nix:~# apt-get update
    Get:1 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports unstable InRelease [107 kB] Get:2 http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable InRelease [195 kB]
    Get:3 http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental InRelease [101 kB]

    Get:4 http://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd buildd-unstable InRelease
    [53.7 kB]
    Get:5 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports unreleased InRelease
    [71.8 kB]
    Get:6 http://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd buildd-experimental
    InRelease [53.8 kB]
    Get:7 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports experimental InRelease
    [107 kB]
    Get:8 http://incoming.ports.debian.org/buildd unstable InRelease [65.3
    kB]
    Get:9 http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable/main Sources [10.1 MB]
    Get:10 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports unstable/main sparc64
    Packages [23.4 MB]
    Get:11 http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental/main Sources [796 kB]

    Get:12 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports unreleased/main sparc64 Packages [14.8 kB]
    Get:13 http://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd buildd-unstable/main
    Sources [23.1 kB]
    Get:14 http://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd buildd-experimental/main Sources [14.6 kB]
    Get:15 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports experimental/main
    sparc64 Packages [1819 kB]
    Get:16 http://incoming.ports.debian.org/buildd unstable/main sparc64
    Packages [37.2 kB]
    Fetched 37.0 MB in 1min 36s (384 kB/s)

    Reading package lists... Done

    root@nix:~# apt install linux-image-sparc64-smp -t=experimental
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    The following additional packages will be installed:
    apparmor firmware-linux-free linux-image-6.3.0-0-sparc64
    linux-image-6.3.0-0-sparc64-smp linux-image-sparc64
    Suggested packages:
    apparmor-profiles-extra apparmor-utils linux-doc-6.3
    debian-kernel-handbook
    fdutils
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
    apparmor firmware-linux-free linux-image-6.3.0-0-sparc64
    linux-image-6.3.0-0-sparc64-smp linux-image-sparc64-smp
    The following packages will be upgraded:
    linux-image-sparc64
    1 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 50 not upgraded.
    Need to get 73.4 MB of archives.
    After this operation, 411 MB of additional disk space will be used.
    Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
    Get:1 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports unstable/main sparc64
    apparmor sparc64 3.0.8-3 [536 kB]
    Get:2 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports unstable/main sparc64 firmware-linux-free all 20200122-1 [24.2 kB]
    Get:3 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports experimental/main sparc64 linux-image-6.3.0-0-sparc64 sparc64 6.3.5-1~exp1 [36.1 MB]
    Get:4 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports experimental/main sparc64 linux-image-6.3.0-0-sparc64-smp sparc64 6.3.5-1~exp1 [36.7 MB]
    Get:5 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports experimental/main sparc64 linux-image-sparc64 sparc64 6.3.5-1~exp1 [1412 B]
    Get:6 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports experimental/main sparc64 linux-image-sparc64-smp sparc64 6.3.5-1~exp1 [1432 B]
    Fetched 73.4 MB in 35s (2113 kB/s)

    Reading changelogs... Done
    Preconfiguring packages ...
    Selecting previously unselected package apparmor.
    (Reading database ... 25465 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../0-apparmor_3.0.8-3_sparc64.deb ...
    Unpacking apparmor (3.0.8-3) ...
    Selecting previously unselected package firmware-linux-free.
    Preparing to unpack .../1-firmware-linux-free_20200122-1_all.deb ...
    Unpacking firmware-linux-free (20200122-1) ...
    Selecting previously unselected package linux-image-6.3.0-0-sparc64.
    Preparing to unpack
    .../2-linux-image-6.3.0-0-sparc64_6.3.5-1~exp1_sparc64.deb ...
    Unpacking linux-image-6.3.0-0-sparc64 (6.3.5-1~exp1) ...
    Selecting previously unselected package linux-image-6.3.0-0-sparc64-smp. Preparing to unpack .../3-linux-image-6.3.0-0-sparc64-smp_6.3.5-1~exp1_sparc64.deb ...
    Unpacking linux-image-6.3.0-0-sparc64-smp (6.3.5-1~exp1) ...
    Preparing to unpack .../4-linux-image-sparc64_6.3.5-1~exp1_sparc64.deb ... Unpacking linux-image-sparc64 (6.3.5-1~exp1) over (6.1.27-1) ...
    Selecting previously unselected package linux-image-sparc64-smp.
    Preparing to unpack
    .../5-linux-image-sparc64-smp_6.3.5-1~exp1_sparc64.deb ...
    Unpacking linux-image-sparc64-smp (6.3.5-1~exp1) ...
    Setting up linux-image-6.3.0-0-sparc64 (6.3.5-1~exp1) ...
    I: /boot/vmlinuz is now a symlink to vmlinux-6.3.0-0-sparc64
    I: /boot/initrd.img is now a symlink to initrd.img-6.3.0-0-sparc64 /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools:
    update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-6.3.0-0-sparc64
    [ 1403.336212] watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 26s! [grub-probe:4276]
    [ 1403.432445] Modules linked in: binfmt_misc envctrl display7seg flash
    sg loop fuse drm drm_panel_orientation_quirks i2c_core dm_mod configfs ip_tables x_tables autofs4 ext4 crc16 mbcache jbd2 crc32c_generic sd_mod
    t10_pi crc64_rocksoft crc64 crc_t10dif crct10dif_generic
    crct10dif_common ata_generic pata_cmd64x libata sym53c8xx
    scsi_transport_spi scsi_mod sunhme scsi_common
    [ 1403.866358] CPU: 0 PID: 4276 Comm: grub-probe Not tainted
    6.1.0-9-sparc64 #1 Debian 6.1.27-1
    [ 1403.978513] TSTATE: 0000009911001600 TPC: 000000000097a54c TNPC: 000000000097a550 Y: 00000000 Not tainted
    [ 1404.107860] TPC: <misc_open+0x4c/0x160>
    [ 1404.158282] g0: 0000000000000000 g1: 00000000100e4858 g2:
    0000000000000000 g3: 0000000006fb5260
    [ 1404.272767] g4: fffff8000442ae40 g5: 000000000000ff00 g6:
    fffff8000d828000 g7: 000000000f592948
    [ 1404.387244] o0: 00000000010532a0 o1: fffff8000d82b8ec o2:
    fffff8000430cbd0 o3: 0000000000000001
    [ 1404.501723] o4: fffff8000b69e078 o5: 0000000000000000 sp:
    fffff8000d82af81 ret_pc: 000000000097a520
    [ 1404.620793] RPC: <misc_open+0x20/0x160>
    [ 1404.671208] l0: fffff800041c5800 l1: 0000000001053000 l2:
    00000000006bd3a0 l3: fffff8010037bc7d
    [ 1404.785693] l4: 0000000000000470 l5: ffffffffffffff9c l6:
    fffff8000d828000 l7: 00000000006b5820
    [ 1404.900172] i0: fffff8000b69e078 i1: fffff80004fd75e0 i2:
    00000000010532b8 i3: 0000000001053000
    [ 1405.014650] i4: 00000000000000ec i5: 00000000100e4840 i6:
    fffff8000d82b031 i7: 00000000006bded0
    [ 1405.129128] I7: <chrdev_open+0x90/0x1c0>
    [ 1405.180692] Call Trace:
    [ 1405.212820] [<00000000006bded0>] chrdev_open+0x90/0x1c0
    [ 1405.281551] [<00000000006b3314>] do_dentry_open+0x214/0x520
    [ 1405.354857] [<00000000006b5088>] vfs_open+0x28/0x40
    [ 1405.419010] [<00000000006cb8f8>] path_openat+0xbb8/0x12e0
    [ 1405.490026] [<00000000006ccecc>] do_filp_open+0x6c/0x120
    [ 1405.559899] [<00000000006b53a4>] do_sys_openat2+0x84/0x1a0
    [ 1405.632060] [<00000000006b5880>] sys_openat+0x60/0xa0
    [ 1405.698500] [<0000000000406174>] linux_sparc_syscall+0x34/0x44
    [ 1427.330509] watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 49s! [grub-probe:4276]
    [ 1427.426711] Modules linked in: binfmt_misc envctrl display7seg flash
    sg loop fuse drm drm_panel_orientation_quirks i2c_core dm_mod configfs ip_tables x_tables autofs4 ext4 crc16 mbcache jbd2 crc32c_generic sd_mod
    t10_pi crc64_rocksoft crc64 crc_t10dif crct10dif_generic
    crct10dif_common ata_generic pata_cmd64x libata sym53c8xx
    scsi_transport_spi scsi_mod sunhme scsi_common
    [ 1427.860653] CPU: 0 PID: 4276 Comm: grub-probe Tainted: G
    L 6.1.0-9-sparc64 #1 Debian 6.1.27-1
    [ 1427.992242] TSTATE: 0000000011001600 TPC: 000000000097a538 TNPC: 000000000097a53c Y: 00000000 Tainted: G L
    [ 1428.141032] TPC: <misc_open+0x38/0x160>
    [ 1428.191452] g0: 0000000000000000 g1: 00000000100e4858 g2:
    0000000000000000 g3: 0000000006fb5260
    [ 1428.305938] g4: fffff8000442ae40 g5: 000000000000ff00 g6:
    fffff8000d828000 g7: 000000000f592948
    [ 1428.420415] o0: 00000000010532a0 o1: fffff8000d82b8ec o2:
    fffff8000430cbd0 o3: 0000000000000001
    [ 1428.534895] o4: fffff8000b69e078 o5: 0000000000000000 sp:
    fffff8000d82af81 ret_pc: 000000000097a520
    [ 1428.653949] RPC: <misc_open+0x20/0x160>
    [ 1428.704369] l0: fffff800041c5800 l1: 0000000001053000 l2:
    00000000006bd3a0 l3: fffff8010037bc7d
    [ 1428.818854] l4: 0000000000000470 l5: ffffffffffffff9c l6:
    fffff8000d828000 l7: 00000000006b5820
    [ 1428.933334] i0: fffff8000b69e078 i1: fffff80004fd75e0 i2:
    00000000010532b8 i3: 0000000001053000
    [ 1429.047812] i4: 00000000000000ec i5: 00000000100e4840 i6:
    fffff8000d82b031 i7: 00000000006bded0
    [ 1429.162291] I7: <chrdev_open+0x90/0x1c0>
    [ 1429.213854] Call Trace:
    [ 1429.245982] [<00000000006bded0>] chrdev_open+0x90/0x1c0
    [ 1429.314715] [<00000000006b3314>] do_dentry_open+0x214/0x520
    [ 1429.388019] [<00000000006b5088>] vfs_open+0x28/0x40
    [ 1429.452173] [<00000000006cb8f8>] path_openat+0xbb8/0x12e0
    [ 1429.523188] [<00000000006ccecc>] do_filp_open+0x6c/0x120
    [ 1429.593060] [<00000000006b53a4>] do_sys_openat2+0x84/0x1a0
    [ 1429.665222] [<00000000006b5880>] sys_openat+0x60/0xa0
    [ 1429.731664] [<0000000000406174>] linux_sparc_syscall+0x34/0x44
    ~
    Type 'go' to resume
    ok

    I have seen this before and only on this type of machine.

    Looks like a monster of a bug to even begin to bisect/disect and
    not worth the time on this hardware. Maybe.

    I will try another Netra machine tomorrow that is slightly different.


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