• Bullseye planned on sparc64?

    From James Bond@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 17 08:50:02 2021
    Hi Connor,

    thanks for the feedback.

    Well at the moment the 10.0 installer (debian-10.0-sparc64-NETINST-1.iso dated 2018) does not work on machines with XVR-1200 installed. On both the SB1500 and SB2500 (both with equipped with XVR-1200) the installer produces a frizzy screen output when
    the installer switches the text mode (initial language setup) and changing screen mode (1024 up to 1920) did not solve the problem.

    Cheers

    Iggi


    Von: Connor McLaughlan <cont6pro3@gmail.com>
    Datum: Dienstag, 17. August 2021 um 00:14
    An: James Bond <bond6872@googlemail.com>
    Cc: "debian-sparc@lists.debian.org" <debian-sparc@lists.debian.org>
    Betreff: Re: Q: Bullseye planned on sparc64?

    Hi Iggi,

    there are no stable releases for the unofficial ports. You have to follow sid if you install a machine with the netinst-iso...
    This is currently very close to bullseye but will follow the next sid again and deviate.

    Also i am still trying to get my old Suns (Ultra 10, Ultra 25, Blade 100, Blade 2000) working with debian in a stable way.

    On Ultra 25 and Blade 100 i have problems with the latest kernels 5.9-5.10 where USB is not working for me. Therefore i am using kernel 5.8. Maybe this is fixable by using a certain USB quirks switch for the kernel, but i have not researched yet if there
    is a suitable one.

    The main problem with debian on my machines is however, that after intensive workload for 2-3 days, my partitions get corrupted into an unfixable state and i have to reinstall debian. I have tried various things to find the culprit, but the logs are
    inconclusive apart from partitions not getting unmounted successfully at shutdown.
    Currently i suspect systemd as the cause and have switched to sysvinit for testing.

    I think i can rule out hardware errors, because NetBSD and Solaris run rock solid on those machines without an issue and the issue is similar across several of the old machines. From the reports of other users T1+ are told to be stable and not showing
    this instability.

    So feel free to test i guess. Any usage should be welcome.

    Regards,
    Connor

    On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 11:02 PM James Bond <bond6872@googlemail.com<mailto:bond6872@googlemail.com>> wrote:
    Dear all,

    As I do have several Blades 150/1500(silver)/2500(silver)/2500(red) I would kindly offer to test on them if you need my help. Graphic cards currently in use are XVR-100 (B150) and XVR-1200 (B1500/2500).

    Cheers

    Iggi

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    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Connor,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">thanks for the feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Well at the moment the 10.0 installer (debian-10.0-sparc64-NETINST-1.iso dated 2018) does not work on machines with XVR-1200 installed. On both the SB1500 and SB2500 (both with
    equipped
    with XVR-1200) the installer produces a frizzy screen output when the installer switches the text mode (initial language setup) and changing screen mode (1024 up to 1920) did not solve the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Iggi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Von: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Connor McLaughlan &lt;cont6pro3@gmail.com&gt;<br>
    <b>Datum: </b>Dienstag, 17. August 2021 um 00:14<br>
    <b>An: </b>James Bond &lt;bond6872@googlemail.com&gt;<br>
    <b>Cc: </b>&quot;debian-sparc@lists.debian.org&quot; &lt;debian-sparc@lists.debian.org&gt;<br>
    <b>Betreff: </b>Re: Q: Bullseye planned on sparc64?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Iggi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal">there are no stable releases for the unofficial ports. You have to follow sid if you install a machine with the netinst-iso...<o:p></o:p></p>
    </div>
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    <p class="MsoNormal">This is currently very close to bullseye but will follow the next sid again and deviate.<o:p></o:p></p>
    </div>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal">Also i am still trying to get my old Suns (Ultra 10, Ultra 25, Blade 100, Blade 2000) working with debian in a stable way.<o:p></o:p></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
    </div>
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    <p class="MsoNormal">On Ultra 25 and Blade 100 i have problems with the latest kernels 5.9-5.10 where USB is not working for me. Therefore i am using kernel 5.8. Maybe this is fixable by using a certain USB quirks switch for the kernel, but i have not
    researched
    yet if there is a suitable one.<o:p></o:p></p>
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    <div>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
    </div>
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    <p class="MsoNormal">The main problem with debian on my machines is however, that after intensive workload for 2-3 days, my partitions get corrupted into an unfixable state and i have to reinstall debian. I have tried various things to find the culprit,
    but
    the logs are inconclusive apart from partitions not getting unmounted successfully at shutdown.
    <o:p></o:p></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal">Currently i suspect systemd as the cause and have switched to sysvinit for testing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal">I think i can rule out hardware errors, because NetBSD and Solaris run rock solid on those machines without an issue and the issue is similar across several of the old machines. From the reports of other users T1+ are told to be
    stable
    and not showing this instability.<o:p></o:p></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal">So feel free to test i guess. Any usage should be welcome.<o:p></o:p></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 11:02 PM James Bond &lt;<a href="mailto:bond6872@googlemail.com">bond6872@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">As I do have several Blades 150/1500(silver)/2500(silver)/2500(red) I would kindly offer to test on them if you need my help. Graphic cards currently in
    use are
    XVR-100 (B150) and XVR-1200 (B1500/2500).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to James Bond on Tue Aug 17 23:10:02 2021
    Hello Iggi!

    On 8/17/21 8:41 AM, James Bond wrote:
    Well at the moment the 10.0 installer (debian-10.0-sparc64-NETINST-1.iso dated 2018)
    does not work on machines with XVR-1200 installed. On both the SB1500 and SB2500
    (both with equipped with XVR-1200) the installer produces a frizzy screen output
    when the installer switches the text mode (initial language setup) and changing
    screen mode (1024 up to 1920) did not solve the problem.

    Please pick any of the newer images from the snapshots folder [1] as the 10.0 images
    are ancient and they actually aren't stable releases despite what the folder name
    implies.

    Adrian

    [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/

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  • From Phillip Stevens@21:1/5 to Iggi on Wed Aug 18 03:00:02 2021
    Yes, I'd also love (pay) to have decent graphics support. I migrated my
    Ultra 5 to Sparc64 in 2018 <https://feilipu.me/2018/04/14/old-sunshine-migrating-ultra5-to-sparc64/>
    and since then hardly turned it on.
    The graphics are a real weak point. I've both PGX-64 and XVR-100 graphics,
    and also tried a bunch of x86 PCI cards with no luck.

    Would a bug bounty be a way forward?
    Phillip

    Iggi wrote:

    Hi Adrian,
    Btw as I am not sure on Suns, would it be possible to add a supported (aka accelerated) PCI non Sun (so no OBP firmware on the card) graphics card to the Suns to be able use X in a "decent" way? As I cannot imagine that we
    will ever have a supported Sun graphics card (XVR-100, 600, 1200) within Debian.


    <div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Yes, I&#39;d also love (pay) to have decent graphics
    support. I <a href="https://feilipu.me/2018/04/14/old-sunshine-migrating-ultra5-to-sparc64/">migrated my Ultra 5 to Sparc64 in 2018</a> and since then hardly turned it on.</div><div>The graphics are a real weak point. I&#39;ve both PGX-64 and XVR-100
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    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Iggi wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Adrian,<br>Btw as I am not sure on Suns, would it be possible to add a
    supported (aka accelerated) PCI non Sun (so no OBP firmware on the card) graphics card to the Suns to be able use X in a &quot;decent&quot; way? As I cannot imagine that we will ever have a supported Sun graphics card (XVR-100, 600, 1200) within Debian.<

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  • From James Bond@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 23 22:50:01 2021
    Would also „fund“ a DRM developer if we get someone willing to do so.

    Cheers

    Iggi



    Von: Phillip Stevens <phillip.stevens@gmail.com>
    Datum: Mittwoch, 18. August 2021 um 02:57
    An: James Bond <bond6872@googlemail.com>
    Cc: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>, "debian-sparc@lists.debian.org" <debian-sparc@lists.debian.org>
    Betreff: Re: Bullseye planned on sparc64?

    Yes, I'd also love (pay) to have decent graphics support. I migrated my Ultra 5 to Sparc64 in 2018<https://feilipu.me/2018/04/14/old-sunshine-migrating-ultra5-to-sparc64/> and since then hardly turned it on.
    The graphics are a real weak point. I've both PGX-64 and XVR-100 graphics, and also tried a bunch of x86 PCI cards with no luck.

    Would a bug bounty be a way forward?
    Phillip

    Iggi wrote:
    Hi Adrian,
    Btw as I am not sure on Suns, would it be possible to add a supported (aka accelerated) PCI non Sun (so no OBP firmware on the card) graphics card to the Suns to be able use X in a "decent" way? As I cannot imagine that we will ever have a supported Sun
    graphics card (XVR-100, 600, 1200) within Debian.

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    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Von: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Phillip Stevens &lt;phillip.stevens@gmail.com&gt;<br>
    <b>Datum: </b>Mittwoch, 18. August 2021 um 02:57<br>
    <b>An: </b>James Bond &lt;bond6872@googlemail.com&gt;<br>
    <b>Cc: </b>John Paul Adrian Glaubitz &lt;glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de&gt;, &quot;debian-sparc@lists.debian.org&quot; &lt;debian-sparc@lists.debian.org&gt;<br>
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    <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Adrian,<br>
    Btw as I am not sure on Suns, would it be possible to add a supported (aka accelerated) PCI non Sun (so no OBP firmware on the card) graphics card to the Suns to be able use X in a &quot;decent&quot; way? As I cannot imagine that we will ever have a
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  • From Phillip Stevens@21:1/5 to Iggi on Tue Aug 24 15:10:01 2021
    I tried to start a bounty on bountysource.com , but I couldn’t find where
    to host the issue. There needs to be an issue to link on a bug tracker somewhere. Where is the right place?

    Suggestion would be to make success “support for mach64 enabling Ultra5 / Ultra10 PGX24 and PGX64 video card acceleration”.

    But better would be XVR100, though they’re rare beasts.

    Phillip

    Iggi wrote:

    Would also „fund“ a DRM developer if we get someone willing to do so.

    Cheers

    Iggi

    Yes, I'd also love (pay) to have decent graphics support. I migrated my
    Ultra 5 to Sparc64 in 2018 <https://feilipu.me/2018/04/14/old-sunshine-migrating-ultra5-to-sparc64/>
    and since then hardly turned it on.

    The graphics are a real weak point. I've both PGX-64 and XVR-100 graphics, and also tried a bunch of x86 PCI cards with no luck.

    Would a bug bounty be a way forward?

    Iggi wrote:

    Hi Adrian,
    Btw as I am not sure on Suns, would it be possible to add a supported (aka accelerated) PCI non Sun (so no OBP firmware on the card) graphics card to the Suns to be able use X in a "decent" way? As I cannot imagine that we
    will ever have a supported Sun graphics card (XVR-100, 600, 1200) within Debian.

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    <div dir="auto">I tried to start a bounty on <a href="http://bountysource.com">bountysource.com</a> , but I couldn’t find where to host the issue. There needs to be an issue to link on a bug tracker somewhere. Where is the right place?</div><div dir="
    auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Suggestion would be to make success “support for mach64 enabling Ultra5 / Ultra10 PGX24 and PGX64 video card acceleration”.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But better would be XVR100, though they’re
    rare beasts.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Phillip</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Iggi wrote:<br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;
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    migrated my Ultra 5 to Sparc64 in 2018</a> and since then hardly turned it on.<u></u><u></u></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Adrian,<br>
    Btw as I am not sure on Suns, would it be possible to add a supported (aka accelerated) PCI non Sun (so no OBP firmware on the card) graphics card to the Suns to be able use X in a &quot;decent&quot; way? As I cannot imagine that we will ever have a
    supported Sun graphics
    card (XVR-100, 600, 1200) within Debian.<u></u><u></u></p>
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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to Phillip Stevens on Tue Aug 24 15:20:02 2021
    Hi!

    On 8/24/21 3:07 PM, Phillip Stevens wrote:
    I tried to start a bounty on bountysource.com , but I couldn’t find where to host the issue. There needs to be an issue to link on a bug tracker somewhere. Where is the right place?

    Suggestion would be to make success “support for mach64 enabling Ultra5 / Ultra10 PGX24 and PGX64 video card acceleration”.

    But better would be XVR100, though they’re rare beasts.

    I just found an older mail from you and you mentioned that you're missing the mach64 driver package [1]. That package was missing back then but it was since then reintroduced to the Debian archive.

    So, if your particular machine needs the xserver-xorg-video-mach64 package,
    you should be able to install it again.

    As for the xserver-xorg-video-sunffb package, we will need to reintroduce it
    to the archive first.

    After installing and testing both packages, you should report any issues with these drivers to the freedesktop bug tracker. You can then create a new issue on Bountysource by linking the bug report you created in the freedesktop bug tracker.

    Adrian

    [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2018/04/msg00012.html

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  • From Phillip Stevens@21:1/5 to Phillip Stevens on Tue Aug 24 15:30:02 2021
    Phillip Stevens wrote:

    Yes, I'd also love (pay) to have decent graphics support. I migrated my Ultra 5 to Sparc64 in 2018 <https://feilipu.me/2018/04/14/old-sunshine-migrating-ultra5-to-sparc64/

    and since then hardly turned it on.
    The graphics are a real weak point. I've both PGX-64 and XVR-100
    graphics,
    and also tried a bunch of x86 PCI cards with no luck.

    We first need to figure out what the current state of the driver is.


    I really can’t comment on the current state, but in 2018 I spent quite a
    bit of time configuring and diagnosing both mach64 and the XVR-100.
    Summarised in the blog. I don’t think things will have improved.

    It might also be an idea to contact the original author/maintainer of the
    PGX-64 and XVR-100 graphics boards and ask whether they're willing to fix
    the issue.

    Did these boards work in the past with the 32-bit sparc ?


    I can only comment on mach64 on 32 bit Sparc, it was working fine. The
    desktop was reasonably responsive. About as responsive as Solaris, so quite good. I didn’t get the xvr-100 until afterwards.

    Phillip

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    <div><span style="border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Phillip Stevens wrote:</span><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;
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    &gt; Yes, I&#39;d also love (pay) to have decent graphics support. I migrated my<br>
    &gt; Ultra 5 to Sparc64 in 2018<br>
    &gt; &lt;<a href="https://feilipu.me/2018/04/14/old-sunshine-migrating-ultra5-to-sparc64/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://feilipu.me/2018/04/14/old-sunshine-migrating-ultra5-to-sparc64/</a>&gt;<br>
    &gt; and since then hardly turned it on.<br>
    &gt; The graphics are a real weak point. I&#39;ve both PGX-64 and XVR-100 graphics,<br>
    &gt; and also tried a bunch of x86 PCI cards with no luck.<br>

    We first need to figure out what the current state of the driver is.</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I
  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to James Bond on Tue Aug 24 15:20:02 2021
    Hello Iggi!

    On 8/23/21 10:51 PM, James Bond wrote:
    Sorry for the late reply but I managed to test today and the most
    recent snapshot I downloaded does not even manage to boot grub.

    Fails with not finding kernel/unix.

    What kind of machine is that? The recent images should all work unless
    you have a very old or exotic SPARC machine.

    Adrian

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to James Bond on Tue Aug 24 15:40:02 2021
    Hello James

    On 8/24/21 3:31 PM, James Bond wrote:
    tested on Sun Blade 1500/2500 (both silver) with an XVR-1200.

    The "older" image at least booted to the point where you have the scribbled screen, the "latest" iso does not even come that far. On both machines.

    I need some error messages.

    It's not really possible to diagnose the problem without more information.

    Also, you can try a slightly older image.

    Adrian

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  • From Gregor Riepl@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 25 02:30:02 2021
    On 8/18/21 2:57 AM, Phillip Stevens wrote:
    Yes, I'd also love (pay) to have decent graphics support. I migrated my
    Ultra 5 to Sparc64 in 2018
    <https://feilipu.me/2018/04/14/old-sunshine-migrating-ultra5-to-sparc64/>
    and since then hardly turned it on.
    The graphics are a real weak point. I've both PGX-64 and XVR-100 graphics, >> and also tried a bunch of x86 PCI cards with no luck.

    FYI, I patched the abandoned sunffb driver (for Creator3D) at some point
    and got it working on my Ultra10 again: https://salsa.debian.org/onitake-guest/xserver-xorg-video-sunffb

    Still couldn't get Xorg into a usable state, it would simply refuse to
    register mouse clicks and keyboard input (the mouse cursor did move
    around though).

    I also tried to somehow get the patched package reintroduced into
    Debian, but it was refused because it would only work on sparc64. :/

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to Gregor Riepl on Wed Aug 25 07:50:01 2021
    On 8/25/21 2:29 AM, Gregor Riepl wrote:
    I also tried to somehow get the patched package reintroduced into
    Debian, but it was refused because it would only work on sparc64. :/

    I talked to Adrian Bunk on IRC yesterday who has adopted all the old driver packages and reuploaded them and he said, he will look into adopting the sunffb driver package as well.

    The package wasn't rejected, it was just Julien Christau who didn't want to maintain
    it under the umbrella of the Xorg package maintainers team. There is no policy in
    Debian that disallows "unimportant" packages.

    Adrian

    --
    .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
    : :' : Debian Developer - glaubitz@debian.org
    `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de
    `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913

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  • From Gregor Riepl@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 25 20:40:03 2021
    Hi Adrian,

    You are right, of course.
    It's been a while and I had forgotten what the circumstances were.

    Did anybody else encounter the input issue I mentioned? I'm not sure if could be related to the graphics driver or not. There is a possibility that Xorg is actually working, but not refreshing the screen due to missing 2D acceleration in the driver. I
    haven't verified this.

    Regards,
    Gregor

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 27 19:10:01 2021
    On Aug 25, 2021, at 10:18 PM, James Bond <bond6872@googlemail.com> wrote:

    1). The Intenso CDRs are crap. I burnt a new disc and this one started Grub

    Yes, good quality CD-Rs are important.

    2). Before retrying to reinstall Debian I had booted into Solaris and thought rit would be a good moment to give Debian a try. And suddenly after loading Grub and some error messages that I have had before as well the installer switched mode and no
    fizzy screen output! So it looks like the XVR-1200 needs a pre-initialization and then the Debian terminal installer works.

    Yes, it seems the card needs to be initialized and I assume the Linux kernel driver is missing something here. Firmware maybe which does the initialization?

    4). Is there a size limitation with Debian sparc64? Wanted to install on one of the 146GB internal disks but during portioning I get the "warning" that the disk has "562253" cylinders which is greater than the maximum of "65536". The installer
    continues but when rebooting from the disk it stops with:
    Can't open disk2

    There is no size limitation, but if you use GRUB with linked blocklists (anything older that SPARC T4), the partition which contains /boot must not be too large.

    The installer will normally choose a small, separate /boot partition for that matter. So you run into this issue, it means you either deleted the /boot partition or your /boot partition is larger than a few GB (forgot the exact limit).

    Adrian

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 27 20:30:01 2021
    On Aug 27, 2021, at 8:03 PM, James Bond <bond6872@googlemail.com> wrote:

    Strange thing, yes, I had /boot with a size of 512MB (as I had in the screenshot). https://ibb.co/P9FfdwS

    That’s a rather unusual partition layout. I would suggest letting the installer determine the partition layout.

    Your disk is either not using a Sun partition table or the /boot partition is missing the boot flag.

    So please try the default partitioning scheme and see if that works.

    Adrian

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