Yeah, but that's unfortunately one of the universal truths of this port.
I mean in theory sometimes they turn up on eBay and people try to make
them work[1].
It also seems true for other ports where we commonly relied on sponsors
to hand us replacements. But maybe it's only ppc64el these days, maybe
there are useful builds available for the others (including arm64 and
mips) on the market now.
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I have invested lots of time and effort to get sparc64 into a usable state in Debian.
We are close to 11.000 installed packages. Missing packages include Firefox, >> Thunderbird/Icedove, golang and LibreOffice to name the most important ones.
Is there some way to define 'core'[0] packages as blockers for testing migration, and arch release qualification; but other packages not?
Many of these ports would be useful if just a base system was released,
and preferably having stable/security updates for that part (otherwise
it is difficult for users to try it, developers to work on it, or DSA to support buildds for it; all of which are limitations on ports' further growth).
Trying to have *every* package build and stay built on every port, and supported for the lifetime of stable, is a lot of work without much
purpose sometimes. And it's unreasonable for any one port to block
testing migration of a package on all arches, unless it is something
really essential.
This might be done either:
* in the official archive, with relaxed rules for testing migration
and more frequently de-crufting of out-of-date packages;
* creating a mini testing/stable suite based on debian-ports.org?
where maybe only the core packages are candidates to migrate.
[0]: I'd define core packages as everything needed to install, boot, and
then build packages on that arch. The rebootstrap project gives us some
idea of what those are; but add to that the kernel and any bootloaders. Being able to rebootstrap, should be part of the arch release
qualification anyway IMHO.
Regards,
Yeah, apparently it's cheaper to bootstrap a complete new little endian platform than to fix portability issues in existing software...
Hi,
Dan DeVoto wrote:
In addition to the debian powerpc mailing list, powerpc users are active
on the Ubuntu forums. I'm running Debian Sid on a Powerbook and everything >> works except 3D acceleration. I don't see a need to drop it.
I hope that my iBook G3 will serve me for years to come! Low power consumption fanless with a SSD disk make superquiet and quite nice!
Riccardo
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