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  • Debian/HURD, real hardware

    From Marcin Laszewski@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 6 13:20:02 2021
    I write this mail from my Debian/Hurd system(!) on my real hardware:
    - CPU Celeron 415MHz
    - 512 RAM
    - NE2000 ISA Network Card.
    - 2 HDs - 6 GB & 80 GB.
    - CDROM
    - Nvidia 440mx graphic card
    - I have built my own 'gnumach', because I had to add 'ne2k' driver.

    It works, but there are some imperfections:

    * 'syslogd' says during startup (I have to add '\n' - it is one long line):

    Starting enhanced syslog: rsyslogdrsyslogd: could not load module 'imklog',
    errors: trying to load module /usr/lib/i386-gnu/rsyslog/imlog.so:
    /usr/lib/i386-gnu/rsyslog/imklog.so: undefined symbol:
    klogWillRunPrePrivDrop [v8.39.0 try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2006 ]

    * Network works now, but... I don't know why.
    I had lots of problem. I could not 'settrans -fga /dev/eth0 /hurd/devnode ...'.
    My system said that 'netdde' is already supported by kernel.
    Unexpectdly my network is working now, but it is not configured during startup
    at all! Here is my /etc/network/interface (/etc/network/interfaces.d/ is empty):
    .............................................................................. # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
    # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

    source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*

    # The loopback network interface
    #auto lo
    #iface lo inet loopback

    # The primary network interface
    #iface /dev/eth0 inet static
    # address 192.168.1.2
    # gateway 192.168.1.1
    # netmask 255.255.255.0
    # # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed # dns-nameservers 194.204.159.1 ...............................................................................

    I have skipped network configuration at all in /etc/init.d/networking and
    my network is still working! (I see a message 'Ku ku' pnly during startup).
    How is it possible? ...................................................................................
    #!/bin/sh -e
    ### BEGIN INIT INFO
    # Provides: networking ifupdown
    # Required-Start: mountkernfs $local_fs urandom
    # Required-Stop: $local_fs
    # Default-Start: S
    # Default-Stop: 0 6
    # Short-Description: Raise network interfaces.
    # Description: Prepare /run/network directory, ifstate file and raise network interfaces, or take them down.
    ### END INIT INFO

    echo 'Ku ku'
    exit 0
    echo 'Tomato'

    PATH="/sbin:/bin"
    RUN_DIR="/run/network"
    IFSTATE="$RUN_DIR/ifstate"
    STATEDIR="$RUN_DIR/state"

    (....) ..............................................................................

    * Xwindows doesn't work. I don't know X, so I can attach my /var/log/Xorg.0.log only.

    * I have problem during installation/updates when /usr/lob/hurd/setup-translators is
    called - system stops. I had to comment those lines:
    ** [101] mkdir -p bus/pci
    ** [124] #md rumpdisk
    I cannot touch 'bus/pci' (ls, cat, etc) and list '/etc' - system freezs the same way.

    * aptitude - It starts, updates index files, but freezes during upgrade packets or
    when I want to exit ('q' key).

    May I ask for you advice and help?

    Apart those problem I enjoy my system. I can use text terminal program (joe, mc, mutt, etc)
    and compile my programs (gcc).

    Happy 2021!

    ml.

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  • From Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide@21:1/5 to Marcin Laszewski on Wed Jan 6 18:00:05 2021
    Marcin Laszewski <marcin.laszewski@gmail.com> writes:

    I write this mail from my Debian/Hurd system(!) on my real hardware:

    Awesome!

    I’ll skip the debugging (because others are currently in a better
    position to help), just wanted to cheer! :-)

    - CPU Celeron 415MHz
    - 512 RAM
    - NE2000 ISA Network Card.
    - 2 HDs - 6 GB & 80 GB.
    - CDROM
    - Nvidia 440mx graphic card
    - I have built my own 'gnumach', because I had to add 'ne2k' driver.


    …

    Apart those problem I enjoy my system. I can use text terminal program (joe, mc, mutt, etc)
    and compile my programs (gcc).

    Nice! Does Emacs work?

    Happy 2021!

    Happy 2021 to you, too!

    Best wishes,
    Arne
    --
    Unpolitisch sein
    heißt politisch sein
    ohne es zu merken

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  • From Marcin Laszewski@21:1/5 to Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide on Fri Jan 8 12:20:02 2021
    On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 05:53:49PM +0100, Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
    (...)
    I can use text terminal program (joe, mc, mutt, etc)
    and compile my programs (gcc).

    Nice! Does Emacs work?

    I use 'joe' because it was easier that emacs at the begining, and it is too late to come back to 'emacas' (but who knows...).

    I've installed 'emacs-nox' and it works (CTRL+H and CTRL+x CTRL+c - at least).

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  • From Wojciech Aniszewski@21:1/5 to Marcin Laszewski on Wed Jan 13 22:20:01 2021
    Hi Marcin,
    (or, cześć Marcin).

    So, are you also known as Zenon Burak, the guy who posted a similar post on 2020-12-13? Nice nick...

    About Joe/Emacs - I had been using Joe for some time 20 years ago and then transitioned to Emacs, it's pretty easy and the latter is far more powerful. As the Vi people say: "Emacs is a nice Operating System, only the text editor sucks". I have to agree
    with the first part.

    How did you install Hurd? Did you use a Debian Installer? I have a spare Thinkpad and I'm tempted to try the hardware installation as well.

    w

    On Fri, Jan 08, 2021 at 01:11:21PM +0100, Marcin Laszewski wrote:
    On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 05:53:49PM +0100, Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
    (...)
    I can use text terminal program (joe, mc, mutt, etc)
    and compile my programs (gcc).

    Nice! Does Emacs work?

    I use 'joe' because it was easier that emacs at the begining, and it is too late to come back to 'emacas' (but who knows...).

    I've installed 'emacs-nox' and it works (CTRL+H and CTRL+x CTRL+c - at least).


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