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Hiya,

FWIW: our beloved doc-debian [1] package, which ships stuff like /usr/share/doc/debian/constitution.txt.gz and /usr/share/doc/debian/social-contract.txt.gz is another one of those old and strange (by-hand stuff @ ftp-master, e.g.) packages in need of some extra care. I don't think I have time to do the necessary updates in time for the freeze...

The work needed consists of interfacing with our infrastructure, no coding or text drafting necessary.

Bye,

Joost

[1] https://salsa.debian.org/ddp-team/doc-debian .

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Hello,

On Wed 01 Feb 2023 at 08:38PM +01, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:

Hiya,

FWIW: our beloved doc-debian [1] package, which ships stuff like /usr/share/doc/debian/constitution.txt.gz and /usr/share/doc/debian/social-contract.txt.gz is another one of those old and strange (by-hand stuff @ ftp-master, e.g.) packages in need of some extra care.
I don't think I have time to do the necessary updates in time for the freeze...

The work needed consists of interfacing with our infrastructure, no coding or text drafting necessary.

I can adopt it if you would like. Let me know.

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Sean Whitton

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Hi Sean,

On Thu, Feb 02, 2023 at 09:45:15AM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:

On Wed 01 Feb 2023 at 08:38PM +01, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:

FWIW: our beloved doc-debian [1] package, which ships stuff like /usr/share/doc/debian/constitution.txt.gz and /usr/share/doc/debian/social-contract.txt.gz is another one of those old and
strange (by-hand stuff @ ftp-master, e.g.) packages in need of some extra care.
I don't think I have time to do the necessary updates in time for the freeze...

The work needed consists of interfacing with our infrastructure, no coding or
text drafting necessary.

I can adopt it if you would like. Let me know.

Sure!

Thanks, Bye,

Joost

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Hi,

Thanks Sean.

Let me make some comment.


On Thu, 2023-02-02 at 09:45 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:

Hello,

On Wed 01 Feb 2023 at 08:38PM +01, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:

Hiya,

FWIW: our beloved doc-debian [1] package, which ships stuff like /usr/share/doc/debian/constitution.txt.gz and /usr/share/doc/debian/social-contract.txt.gz is another one of those old and
strange (by-hand stuff @ ftp-master, e.g.) packages in need of some extra care.
I don't think I have time to do the necessary updates in time for the freeze...

The work needed consists of interfacing with our infrastructure, no coding or text drafting necessary.

I can adopt it if you would like.  Let me know.

If I understand correctly, we copy webwml source and create source for this deb package manually in advance. In a oversimplified sense:

source of www.debian.org --> transform to create deb source. --> deb

What is better is create a source deb package as the pristine source and generate corresponding www.debian.org pages from binary deb package content files with cron script on www-master.d.o like debian-policy etc. Then updating is simpler.

deb source package --> deb binary packages --> www.debian.org

Of course, this needs to be agreed by the party updating the constitution in advance.

Just my thought.

Osamu

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Hi Osamu e.a.,

On Sun, Feb 05, 2023 at 11:37:50AM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
<snip>

On Thu, 2023-02-02 at 09:45 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:

On Wed 01 Feb 2023 at 08:38PM +01, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:

FWIW: our beloved doc-debian [1] package, which ships stuff like /usr/share/doc/debian/constitution.txt.gz and /usr/share/doc/debian/social-contract.txt.gz is another one of those old and
strange (by-hand stuff @ ftp-master, e.g.) packages in need of some extra care.
I don't think I have time to do the necessary updates in time for the freeze...

The work needed consists of interfacing with our infrastructure, no coding
or text drafting necessary.

I can adopt it if you would like.  Let me know.

If I understand correctly, we copy webwml source and create source for this deb
package manually in advance. In a oversimplified sense:

source of www.debian.org --> transform to create deb source. --> deb

What is better is create a source deb package as the pristine source and generate corresponding www.debian.org pages from binary deb package content files with cron script on www-master.d.o like debian-policy etc. Then updating
is simpler.

deb source package --> deb binary packages --> www.debian.org

Of course, this needs to be agreed by the party updating the constitution in advance.

<snip>

FWIW; I completely agree :)

Thanks! Bye,

Joost

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Hi Jathan,

Sorry, I only now see your reply...

Thanks a lot for your offer to help!

On Thu, Feb 02, 2023 at 06:42:18PM +0100, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:

Hi Sean,

On Thu, Feb 02, 2023 at 09:45:15AM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:

On Wed 01 Feb 2023 at 08:38PM +01, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:

FWIW: our beloved doc-debian [1] package, which ships stuff like /usr/share/doc/debian/constitution.txt.gz and /usr/share/doc/debian/social-contract.txt.gz is another one of those old and
strange (by-hand stuff @ ftp-master, e.g.) packages in need of some extra care.
I don't think I have time to do the necessary updates in time for the freeze...

The work needed consists of interfacing with our infrastructure, no coding or
text drafting necessary.

I can adopt it if you would like. Let me know.

Sure!

On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 14:45:38 -0600, Jathan wrote at debian-project@lists.debian.org:

If I have the necessary skills to interface with the infrastructure of doc-debian, maybe I can help in some manual tasks. Tell me what is needed please

What would be needed is another upload of the doc-debian package, with fresh content. If it's too late for bookworm now, we might be able to get into the first point-release. We currently ship e.g. an out of date copy of the DFSG. Package git repo is currently at https://salsa.debian.org/groups/ddp-team .

I believe Sean didn't get to it yet. Maybe the two of you can coordinate?

Bye,

Joost

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Hello,

On Tue 14 Feb 2023 at 02:32PM +01, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:

I believe Sean didn't get to it yet. Maybe the two of you can coordinate?

I have a bit of a backlog. I'll have to withdraw my offer of help for
now. My apologies.

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Hi,

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 07:38:39PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:

On Tue 14 Feb 2023 at 02:32PM +01, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:

I believe Sean didn't get to it yet. Maybe the two of you can coordinate?

I have a bit of a backlog. I'll have to withdraw my offer of help for
now. My apologies.

Fair enough, thanks anyway.

Jathan: I've heard there's still a little bit of time to get new package releases shipped with bookworm...

Bye,

Joost

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Hi,

On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 11:58:48AM -0600, jathan wrote:

On 14/02/2023 23:11, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 07:38:39PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:

On Tue 14 Feb 2023 at 02:32PM +01, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:

I believe Sean didn't get to it yet. Maybe the two of you can coordinate?

I have a bit of a backlog. I'll have to withdraw my offer of help for now. My apologies.

Fair enough, thanks anyway.

Jathan: I've heard there's still a little bit of time to get new package releases shipped with bookworm...

Bye,

Joost

Thanks a lot for your last answers Joost! Do I need to update the package https://salsa.debian.org/ddp-team/doc-debian or to interface with the infrastructure of doc-debian in someway?

First thing would be to prepare a new release, possibly from what's now in git, and upload it.

HTH, Bye,

Joost

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Hi,

On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 01:48:42PM -0600, jathan wrote:

On 17/02/2023 00:57, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:

On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 11:58:48AM -0600, jathan wrote:

On 14/02/2023 23:11, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 07:38:39PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:

On Tue 14 Feb 2023 at 02:32PM +01, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:

I believe Sean didn't get to it yet. Maybe the two of you can coordinate?

I have a bit of a backlog. I'll have to withdraw my offer of help for now. My apologies.

Fair enough, thanks anyway.

Jathan: I've heard there's still a little bit of time to get new package releases shipped with bookworm...

Thanks a lot for your last answers Joost! Do I need to update the package https://salsa.debian.org/ddp-team/doc-debian or to interface with the infrastructure of doc-debian in someway?

First thing would be to prepare a new release, possibly from what's now in git, and upload it.

I thought the team were needing some infrastructure administration help. So it is needed to prepare a new release doing Debian Packaging of doc-deian?

Yes, a new release, and ideally long term maintainership of the package. Sorry for being unclear in my initial request for help.

Bye,

Joost

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