On 12/04/2022 04:59, Friedhelm Waitzmann wrote:
You mean, that it is possible to run amd64 on my old hardware
1#
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 22
model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 440 @ 2.00GHz >>stepping : 1
microcode : 0x43
cpu MHz : 1229.629
cache size : 512 KB
and
2#
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 15
model : 2
model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz
stepping : 4
cpu MHz : 1993.656
cache size : 512 KB
?
And if it is indeed possible, how can I switch from i386 to amd64?
Can this be done with the apt tools? Then during the migrating some >>packages will be from amd64 already while others will be still i386.
How does that go right?
Celeron 440 for sure is 64-bit. Pentium 4 2.00 GHz I am not sure,
there are many models and variations of this processor. Is it socket
LGA775 also?
family 15 model 2 is northwood based. no amd64. the best option for that
one is to find a cheap second hand box with a CPU that's only 10 years
old instead of (literally) 20 years old and retire it; those old p4's
were really power hungry, and it shouldn't be hard to find a replacement
for a cost (maybe even free) that will pay for itself in electricity
savings alone.
I have a beloved P4 Gericom Frontman and I do not want to give it
away.
On 13/04/2022 15:57, Michael Stone wrote:
family 15 model 2 is northwood based. no amd64. the best option for thatOk. Yes indeed these CPUs are so old that I can give away better ones
one is to find a cheap second hand box with a CPU that's only 10 years
old instead of (literally) 20 years old and retire it; those old p4's
were really power hungry, and it shouldn't be hard to find a replacement
for a cost (maybe even free) that will pay for itself in electricity
savings alone.
for free for this fellow Debian user if he is in my country.
CPUs like that I sell on eBay from refurbished computers for almost
zero, just as a hobby, to give it second life. Working on such machine
is impossible apart from passive browsing and text typing.
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On 13/04/2022 15:57, Michael Stone wrote:
family 15 model 2 is northwood based. no amd64. the best option for thatOk. Yes indeed these CPUs are so old that I can give away better ones
one is to find a cheap second hand box with a CPU that's only 10 years
old instead of (literally) 20 years old and retire it; those old p4's
were really power hungry, and it shouldn't be hard to find a replacement
for a cost (maybe even free) that will pay for itself in electricity
savings alone.
for free for this fellow Debian user if he is in my country.
CPUs like that I sell on eBay from refurbished computers for almost
zero, just as a hobby, to give it second life. Working on such machine
is impossible apart from passive browsing and text typing.
If I would get an x64 CPU from a Linux pro, sure I would take it.
Otherwise I would not recommend to just take any old hardware for
exchange with my working one since not all of it was easily well
supported by Linux these days, as far as I can remember.
If I would get an x64 CPU from a Linux pro, sure I would take it. Otherwise I >would not recommend to just take any old hardware for exchange with my working >one since not all of it was easily well supported by Linux these days, as far >as I can remember.
What about Spectre /Meltdown? P3/P4/Pentium M systems don´t have that? Core 2 >systems to my knowledge can.
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On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 08:18:30PM +0200, Levis Yarema wrote:
What about Spectre /Meltdown? P3/P4/Pentium M systems don´t have that?Core 2
systems to my knowledge can.
There's no reason to believe netburst systems are not affected by any of
the cpu issues identified in the past few years, but they are obsolete
and unsupported so nobody is making official statements about them.
These systems also lack a number of security features present in modern
CPUs; picking an ancient chip for "security reasons" is likely
misguided. Also, in the context of this thread, note that the most
recent Core 2 processor was released in 2010.
On Tue, 2022-04-12 at 05:59 +0200, Friedhelm Waitzmann wrote:
And if it is indeed possible, how can I switch from i386 to
amd64? Can this be done with the apt tools? Then during the
migrating some packages will be from amd64 already while others
will be still i386. How does that go right?
If your hardware supports it, you can either reinstall from scratch or cross-grade an existing install from i386 to amd64, either using the crossgrader tool or more manual methods of doing the same thing.
https://packages.debian.org/crossgrader
https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 08:18:30PM +0200, Levis Yarema wrote:
What about Spectre /Meltdown? P3/P4/Pentium M systems don´t have that? Core 2
systems to my knowledge can.
There's no reason to believe netburst systems are not affected by any of the cpu issues identified in the past few years, but they are obsolete and unsupported so nobody is making official statements about them. These
systems also lack a number of security features present in modern CPUs; picking an ancient chip for "security reasons" is likely misguided. Also, in the context of this thread, note that the most recent Core 2 processor was released in 2010.
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 03:11:04PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 08:18:30PM +0200, Levis Yarema wrote:
What about Spectre /Meltdown? P3/P4/Pentium M systems don´t have that? Core 2
systems to my knowledge can.
There's no reason to believe netburst systems are not affected by any of the >> cpu issues identified in the past few years, but they are obsolete and
unsupported so nobody is making official statements about them. These
systems also lack a number of security features present in modern CPUs;
picking an ancient chip for "security reasons" is likely misguided. Also, in >> the context of this thread, note that the most recent Core 2 processor was >> released in 2010.
AFAIK there is just no official statement of Intel about Pentium
III, IV and M CPUs. That may also be because they want(ed) people
to buy newer machines. Nonetheless I would be in wonder if
nobody at all had ever tested these CPUs for Spectre and
Meltdown. The issue itself wasn´t discovered by Intel either.
On Tue, 2022-04-12 at 05:59 +0200, Friedhelm Waitzmann wrote:
And if it is indeed possible, how can I switch from i386 to
amd64? Can this be done with the apt tools? Then during the
migrating some packages will be from amd64 already while others
will be still i386. How does that go right?
If your hardware supports it, you can either reinstall from scratch or cross-grade an existing install from i386 to amd64, either using the crossgrader tool or more manual methods of doing the same thing.
https://packages.debian.org/crossgrader
https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading
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On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 03:45:37PM +0200, Levis Yarema wrote:
Is there in deed any reason to prefer amd64 over i586 if you have the
choice and a machine with 2GB RAM or less, apart from perhaps long term
support?
Twice the registers and sse instructions for fpu rather than x87?
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