Hello all,

Apologies if this should be directed to another list, but I've already
tried in 'debian-testing' with no luck, see here <https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2020/10/msg00000.html>.

In Debian's package tracker I see that Thunderbird in *stable* through the security updates is in *1:78.3.1-2~deb10u2* while in* testing *is in *1:68.12.0-1*. How is it possible for the old-stable to have the same
version with stable, but not testing? https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/thunderbird

Security repository is enabled in my /etc/apt/sources.list file
deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ testing-security main

Is there an estimation when it will be updated in testing too? In the
meantime I can download the latest version through Mozilla's website and,
but I always prefer the APT way!

Regards
Pavlos

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<div dir="ltr"><div>Hello all,</div><div><br></div><div>Apologies if this should be directed to another list, but I&#39;ve already tried in &#39;debian-testing&#39; with no luck, see <a href="https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2020/10/msg00000.html">
here</a>.<br></div><div><br></div><div>In Debian&#39;s package tracker I see that Thunderbird in <b>stable</b> through the security updates is in<span class="gmail-list-item-key gmail-versions-repository" title="Debian 10 Security (buster/updates /
stable/updates)">
</span>

<b>1:78.3.1-2~deb10u2</b> while in<span class="gmail-list-item-key gmail-versions-repository" title="Debian Bullseye (bullseye / testing)"><b> testing </b>is in </span><b>1:68.12.0-1</b>. How is it possible for the old-stable to have the same version
with stable, but not testing?<br></div><div><a href="https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/thunderbird">https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/thunderbird</a></div><div><br></div><div>Security repository is enabled in my /etc/apt/sources.list file</div><div>deb <a href=
"http://security.debian.org/debian-security/">http://security.debian.org/debian-security/</a> testing-security main</div><div></div><div><br></div><div>Is there an estimation when it will be updated in testing too? In the meantime I can download the
latest version through Mozilla&#39;s website and, but I always prefer the APT way!</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div>Pavlos</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div
dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">-- <br><b>Pavlos Ponos</b></div><div dir="ltr"><div><p><small><small>Visit my <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/pavlos-ponos" rel="noopener" target="_blank">
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On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 07:03:35PM +0300, Pavlos Ponos wrote:

Apologies if this should be directed to another list, but I've already
tried in 'debian-testing' with no luck, see [1]here.
In Debian's package tracker I see that Thunderbird in stable through the
security updates is in 1:78.3.1-2~deb10u2 while in testing is in
1:68.12.0-1. How is it possible for the old-stable to have the same
version with stable, but not testing?

Stable updates are handled by the security team and are made as
necessary. Testing doesn't work that way. Changes to testing arrive
only after spending some time in unstable. See

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/choosing.en.html#s3.1.7
and https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing

[2]https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/thunderbird

Tracker indicates that thuderbird will propagate to testing in the next
couple of days based on a manual hint by the release team:

Migration status for thunderbird (1:68.12.0-1 to 1:78.3.3-1): Will
attempt migration due to a hint (Any information below is purely
informational)

Security repository is enabled in my /etc/apt/sources.list file
deb [3]http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ testing-security main

That repository is empty and is typically not used at all except
during a freeze when automatic propagation from unstable is disabled.

noah

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Thunderbird 1:78.3.1-2 accepted in unstable at 30/09/2020, 21 days passed
since then, so i think it would be enough time to consider it ready for testing. https://tracker.debian.org/news/1179834/accepted-thunderbird-17831-2-source-into-unstable/

Anyway, thanks for your time.

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On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 7:58 PM Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org> wrote:

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 07:03:35PM +0300, Pavlos Ponos wrote:

Apologies if this should be directed to another list, but I've already
tried in 'debian-testing' with no luck, see [1]here.
In Debian's package tracker I see that Thunderbird in stable through

the

security updates is in 1:78.3.1-2~deb10u2 while in testing is in
1:68.12.0-1. How is it possible for the old-stable to have the same
version with stable, but not testing?

Stable updates are handled by the security team and are made as
necessary. Testing doesn't work that way. Changes to testing arrive
only after spending some time in unstable. See

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/choosing.en.html#s3.1.7
and https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing

[2]https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/thunderbird

Tracker indicates that thuderbird will propagate to testing in the next couple of days based on a manual hint by the release team:

Migration status for thunderbird (1:68.12.0-1 to 1:78.3.3-1): Will
attempt migration due to a hint (Any information below is purely
informational)

Security repository is enabled in my /etc/apt/sources.list file
deb [3]http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ testing-security

main

That repository is empty and is typically not used at all except
during a freeze when automatic propagation from unstable is disabled.

noah

<div dir="ltr"><div>Thunderbird 1:78.3.1-2 accepted in unstable at 30/09/2020, 21 days passed since then, so i think it would be enough time to consider it ready for testing.</div><div><a href="https://tracker.debian.org/news/1179834/accepted-thunderbird-
17831-2-source-into-unstable/">https://tracker.debian.org/news/1179834/accepted-thunderbird-17831-2-source-into-unstable/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, thanks for your time.</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-
smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">-- <br><b>Pavlos Ponos</b></div><div dir="ltr"><div><p><small><small>Visit my <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/
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</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 7:58 PM Noah Meyerhans &lt;<a href="mailto:noahm@debian.org">noahm@
debian.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 07:03:35PM +0300, Pavlos Ponos wrote:<br>
&gt;    Apologies if this should be directed to another list, but I&#39;ve already<br>
&gt;    tried in &#39;debian-testing&#39; with no luck, see [1]here.<br> &gt;    In Debian&#39;s package tracker I see that Thunderbird in stable through the<br>
&gt;    security updates is in  1:78.3.1-2~deb10u2 while in testing is in<br>
&gt;    1:68.12.0-1. How is it possible for the old-stable to have the same<br>
&gt;    version with stable, but not testing?<br>

Stable updates are handled by the security team and are made as<br> necessary.  Testing doesn&#39;t work that way.  Changes to testing arrive<br> only after spending some time in unstable.  See<br>

<a href="https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/choosing.en.html#s3.1.7" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/choosing.en.html#s3.1.7</a><br>
and <a href="https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing</a><br>

&gt;    [2]<a href="https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/thunderbird" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/thunderbird</a><br>

Tracker indicates that thuderbird will propagate to testing in the next<br> couple of days based on a manual hint by the release team:<br>

    Migration status for thunderbird (1:68.12.0-1 to 1:78.3.3-1): Will<br>
    attempt migration due to a hint (Any information below is purely<br>
    informational)<br>

&gt;    Security repository is enabled in my /etc/apt/sources.list file<br> &gt;    deb [3]<a href="http://security.debian.org/debian-security/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://security.debian.org/debian-security/</a> testing-security main<br>

That repository is empty and is typically not used at all except<br>
during a freeze when automatic propagation from unstable is disabled.<br>

noah<br>

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On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 09:22:11PM +0300, Pavlos Ponos wrote:

Thunderbird 1:78.3.1-2 accepted in unstable at 30/09/2020, 21 days passed
since then, so i think it would be enough time to consider it ready for
testing.

Normally it would be, but issues (release-critical bugs, test
regressions, etc) can arise that block its transition. Issues with a
package's dependencies can also impact its transition. In this case,
manual intervention was required to get it to transition in reasonable timeframe.

noah

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