On Sat, Jan 01, 2022 at 07:06:09PM +0000, Reuben Thomas wrote:

Here's a summary of the packages I'm trying to update. If any DD can help me get these uploaded, I'd be most grateful

The packages you listed are not orphaned and the changes you listed don't warrant NMUs so your only options are either sending your updated packages
to their current maintainers, or https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.en.html#package-salvaging

I really just need a sponsor for uploads

Well, that's not how it works for non-orphaned packages.
Otherwise, see https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors/

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I'm a long-term Debian user and upstream maintainer, and a DM.

I'm working to package updates to mature packages. All of them have
maintainers who are at best sporadically responsive—I do not blame them! I'm sure they're all hugely overworked. (I'm also upstream for several packages with responsive maintainers who are all excellent at packaging new
releases.) I've contacted various DDs who have helped me in the past, but
over the last few years they've all been unresponsive too—again, I'm sure they are all swamped with higher-priority things to do.

In particular, if you're the maintainer of one of the packages I mention,
and you're reading this, please don't take this appeal as any sort of criticism! If you've not had a recent communication for me, it may just be a spam trap problem—do get in touch if you can!

Here's a summary of the packages I'm trying to update. If any DD can help me get these uploaded, I'd be most grateful, it should also be good for users,
as the upstreams I maintain contain in some cases many years of fixes and improvements relative to the current Debian version. In all cases, I'm happy
to do the Debian packaging work too, and I have up-to-date packaging for
most of the packages.

* recode: recode 3.7 contains many years of fixes and improvements over the
packaged 3.6, since the death of recode's author, François Pinard. The
current release fixes almost all the outstanding issues in the BTS.

* libpaper: I have completely rewritten libpaper, while keeping it
compatible with the current version. It is more friendly to users, who can
now have their own custom paper sizes, and to programs written in
languages other than C, which can use it via the new "paper" command.

* psutils: I have rewritten psutils in Perl (was in C), fixing bugs, and
moving most of the functionality into pstops(1); most of the commands are
now implemented as invocations of pstops.

* finddup: this package used to be called perforate; it was removed from
testing on 27th December. I renamed it (the old name confusing, as there
was no "perforate" command, and these days the most useful functionality
is the “finddup” command), fixed bugs, and simplified the code.

* mmv: I have added the ability for mmv to rename directories, fixed bugs,
and simplified the code.

I really just need a sponsor for uploads and any other parts of the process (e.g. review of "finddup" as it's technically a new package) that I can't do myself as a mere DM.

Feel free either to reply to this message or drop me a line directly; thanks
in advance to anyone who's able to help!

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On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 at 19:48, Boyuan Yang <byang@debian.org> wrote:

That being said, while providing a list onto debian-devel is not a bad idea, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.en.html#package-salvaging
should be the correct choice. For a specific example, I just spotted https://bugs.debian.org/961136 the second time (last time back in May 2020); let me know if you would like to initiate a package salvaging process on this certain package and I can help.

Thanks very much for the pointer! I was not aware of this process. It
might be appropriate for me, I guess, but I'd still need DD help.

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在 2022-01-02星期日的 00:33 +0500，Andrey Rahmatullin写道：

On Sat, Jan 01, 2022 at 07:06:09PM +0000, Reuben Thomas wrote:

Here's a summary of the packages I'm trying to update. If any DD can help me
get these uploaded, I'd be most grateful

The packages you listed are not orphaned and the changes you listed don't warrant NMUs so your only options are either sending your updated packages
to their current maintainers, or https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.en.html#package-salvaging

I really just need a sponsor for uploads

Well, that's not how it works for non-orphaned packages.
Otherwise, see https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors/

I would suggest DDs with spare time to take a deeper look into the package
list provided by Reuben. Personally I found many of them neglected by their package maintainers.

That being said, while providing a list onto debian-devel is not a bad idea, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.en.html#package-salvaging
should be the correct choice. For a specific example, I just spotted https://bugs.debian.org/961136 the second time (last time back in May 2020); let me know if you would like to initiate a package salvaging process on this certain package and I can help.

Thanks,
Boyuan Yang

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On 2022-01-01 19:06 +0000, Reuben Thomas wrote:

Here's a summary of the packages I'm trying to update. If any DD can help me get these uploaded, I'd be most grateful,

Hi Rebuen. I helped you with the last libpaper refurbishment in
2012-2014. Happy to do that again, although as people have pointed out
complete rewrites are not really NMU material and we should follow the
salvage process.

Well done for getting those boring old packages into better shape (again).

Wookey
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http://wookware.org/

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Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org> wrote on 01/01/2022 at 20:52:15+0100:

On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 at 19:48, Boyuan Yang <byang@debian.org> wrote:

That being said, while providing a list onto debian-devel is not a bad idea, >> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.en.html#package-salvaging
should be the correct choice. For a specific example, I just spotted
https://bugs.debian.org/961136 the second time (last time back in May 2020); >> let me know if you would like to initiate a package salvaging process on this
certain package and I can help.

Thanks very much for the pointer! I was not aware of this process. It
might be appropriate for me, I guess, but I'd still need DD help.

I suggest this path:

Send bug reports with your debdiff proposals for each package. If 8 days
after you get no reply from the maintainer, file an ITS against the
packages for which you got no reply.

If at the end of the process, the ITS pass, I'll make your uploads
after reviewing the changes.

Cheers,
--
PEB
Both as a DD and as a MIA team member.

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On Sat, Jan 01, 2022 at 02:48:49PM -0500, Boyuan Yang wrote:

should be the correct choice. For a specific example, I just spotted https://bugs.debian.org/961136 the second time (last time back in May 2020);

yet the bug was never pinged after it was filed. and so as many bugs it
"got lost", despite being there. I wouldn't blame a busy maintainer for that. I'd rather blame myself for not pinging the bug in >18 month despite caring.

it's ok to ping bugs without an answer (after a sensible amount of time), and it's ok to ping again and again (again, after sensible time).


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On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 at 20:55, Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> wrote:

Hi Rebuen. I helped you with the last libpaper refurbishment in
2012-2014. Happy to do that again, although as people have pointed out complete rewrites are not really NMU material and we should follow the salvage process.

Well done for getting those boring old packages into better shape (again).

Many thanks! I'll follow up PEB's offer, and see what happens.

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On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 at 20:43, Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> wrote:

I suggest this path:

Send bug reports with your debdiff proposals for each package. If 8 days after you get no reply from the maintainer, file an ITS against the
packages for which you got no reply.

If at the end of the process, the ITS pass, I'll make your uploads
after reviewing the changes.

Many thanks, I'll try to do this.

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On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 at 22:34, Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org> wrote:

On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 at 20:43, Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> wrote:

I suggest this path:

Send bug reports with your debdiff proposals for each package. If 8 days after you get no reply from the maintainer, file an ITS against the packages for which you got no reply.

If at the end of the process, the ITS pass, I'll make your uploads
after reviewing the changes.

Many thanks, I'll try to do this.

I thought I should give an update on my progress: Santiago Vila started
work on packaging recode 3.7, one of the packages I mentioned, so I did
some work to help with that. That has actually taken most of my time until
now.

However, I have also found some time to work on the packaging of mmv. I
think this is one of the clearest-cut packages in the list I mentioned: I
am the (new) upstream of mmv, and I have made a new release.

Having just now got the new Debian packaging building without error, I
shall now follow the ITS procedure and see what happens!

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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 at 22:34, Reuben Thomas &lt;<a href="mailto:rrt@sc3d.org">rrt@sc3d.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 at 20:43, Pierre-Elliott Bécue &lt;<a href="mailto:peb@debian.org" target="_blank">peb@debian.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I suggest this path:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Send bug reports with your debdiff proposals for each package. If 8 days<br>
&gt; after you get no reply from the maintainer, file an ITS against the<br> &gt; packages for which you got no reply.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If at the end of the process, the ITS pass, I&#39;ll make your uploads<br> &gt; after reviewing the changes.<br>

Many thanks, I&#39;ll try to do this.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_d

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Le 26 février 2022 16:28:18 GMT+01:00, Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org> a écrit :

On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 14:30, Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org> wrote:

Having just now got the new Debian packaging building without error, I
shall now follow the ITS procedure and see what happens!

I have waited 8 days since posting debdiffs, and had no response, so I've
now filed an ITS bug: #1006481.

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ACK !
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From my phone
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<html><head></head><body><div class="gmail_quote">Le 26 février 2022 16:28:18 GMT+01:00, Reuben Thomas &lt;rrt@sc3d.org&gt; a écrit :<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-
left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 14:30, Reuben Thomas &lt;<a href="mailto:rrt@sc3d.org">rrt@sc3d.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Having just now got the new Debian packaging building without error, I shall now follow the ITS procedure
and see what happens!</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default">I have waited 8 days since posting debdiffs, and had no response, so I've now filed an
ITS bug: #1006481.<br></div></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://rrt.sc3d.org" target="_blank">https://rrt.sc3d.org</a></div></div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all">ACK ! <div style='white-space: pre-wrap'>--<br>Pierre-Elliott Bécue<br>From my phone</div></body></html>
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 14:30, Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org> wrote:

Having just now got the new Debian packaging building without error, I
shall now follow the ITS procedure and see what happens!

I have waited 8 days since posting debdiffs, and had no response, so I've
now filed an ITS bug: #1006481.

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https://rrt.sc3d.org

<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 14:30, Reuben Thomas &lt;<a href="mailto:rrt@sc3d.org">rrt@sc3d.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Having just now got the new Debian packaging building without error, I shall now follow the ITS procedure
and see what happens!</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default">I have waited 8 days since posting debdiffs, and had no response, so I&#39;ve now
filed an ITS bug: #1006481.<br></div></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://rrt.sc3d.org" target="_blank">https://rrt.sc3d.org</a></div></div></div></div></div>

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