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  • Command /usr/bin/mv wrong message in German

    From Hans@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 31 20:10:01 2024
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    Hi folks,

    as I could not find, which package /usr/bin/mv is belonging to and
    apt-file search /usr/bin/mv did not help either, I just in form you here.

    There is a little translation problem with this command. In German moving a file to anbother
    place is telling this:

    mv -v test2/bla.txt test1/
    Datei umbenannt 'test2/bla.txt' -> 'test1/bla.txt'
    The term "umbenannt" is not correct, as it woul be in English "renamed". The corret term for
    moving a file to another place is called "bewegen" (which means in English "to move"). Thus
    you should say in German

    Datei bewegt 'test2/bla.txt' -> 'test1/bla.txt'

    or more elegant

    Datei verschoben 'test2/bla.txt' -> 'test1/bla.txt'

    ("verschoben" is past tense of the German word "verschieben", in English "to move" or "to shift
    soemthing")

    It is not an important or great matter, but maybe you might want to fix it some day.

    I mnoticed it just, because I am German. Sorry for that.

    Best regards and please don't mind.

    Hans


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    <body><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Hi folks,</p>
    <br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">as I could not find, which package /usr/bin/mv is belonging to and </p>
    <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">apt-file search /usr/bin/mv did not help either, I just in form you here.</p>
    <br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">There is a little translation problem with this command. In German moving a file to anbother place is telling this:</p>
    <br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">&nbsp;<span style="font-family:monospace;"><span style="background-color:#ffffff;"><span style="color:#000000;">mv -v test2/bla.txt test1/ </span></span><br />Datei umbenannt '
    test2/bla.txt' -&gt; 'test1/bla.txt'</p>
    <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">The term &quot;umbenannt&quot; is not correct, as it woul be in English &quot;renamed&quot;. The corret term for moving a file to another place is called &quot;bewegen&quot; (which
    means in English &quot;to move&quot;). Thus you should say in German </span></p>
    <br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Datei bewegt 'test2/bla.txt' -&gt; 'test1/bla.txt'</p>
    <br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">or more elegant</p>
    <br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Datei verschoben 'test2/bla.txt' -&gt; 'test1/bla.txt'</p>
    <br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">(&quot;verschoben&quot; is past tense of the German word &quot;verschieben&quot;, in English &quot;to move&quot; or &quot;to shift soemthing&quot;)</p>
    <br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">It is not an important or great matter, but maybe you might want to fix it some day.</p>
    <br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">I mnoticed it just, because I am German. Sorry for that.</p>
    <br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Best regards and please don't mind.</p>
    <br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Hans </p>
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  • From Sven Joachim@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 31 20:30:01 2024
    Am 31.03.2024 um 19:44 schrieb Hans:

    Hi folks,

    as I could not find, which package /usr/bin/mv is belonging to and
    apt-file search /usr/bin/mv did not help either, I just in form you here.

    Problems with German translations are best reported to debian-l10n-german@lists.debian.org.

    There is a little translation problem with this command. In German moving a file to anbother
    place is telling this:

    mv -v test2/bla.txt test1/
    Datei umbenannt 'test2/bla.txt' -> 'test1/bla.txt'
    The term "umbenannt" is not correct, as it woul be in English "renamed".

    That is exactly what is used in the original:

    $ LANG=C mv -v test2/bla.txt test1/
    renamed 'test2/bla.txt' -> 'test1/bla.txt'

    Cheers,
    Sven

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  • From Hans@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 31 21:10:01 2024
    Hi Sven,

    just did as you suggested.

    Thanks for the hint

    Best regards

    Hans
    Problems with German translations are best reported to debian-l10n-german@lists.debian.org.

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  • From gregor herrmann@21:1/5 to Hans on Mon Apr 1 02:20:01 2024
    On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 19:44:24 +0200, Hans wrote:

    as I could not find, which package /usr/bin/mv is belonging to and
    apt-file search /usr/bin/mv did not help either, I just in form you here.

    % apt-file search -x "usr/bin/mv$"
    coreutils: /usr/bin/mv

    Faster:

    % dpkg -S $(which mv)
    coreutils: /usr/bin/mv


    Cheers,
    gregor

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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to Russell Stuart on Mon Apr 1 05:30:01 2024
    Russell Stuart <russell-debian@stuart.id.au> writes:

    The reason I'm replying is after one, probably two decades this still
    annoys me:

    $ dpkg -S /etc/profile
    dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/profile

    It was put their by the Debian install, and I'm unlikely to change it.
    Its fairly important security wise. It would be nice if "dpkg -S" told
    me base-files.deb installed it. It would be nice if debsums told me if
    it changed. There are lots of files like this, such as /etc/environment
    and /etc/hosts. There are some directories like /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ which should only have files claimed by some .deb.

    Guillem has a plan for addressing this, I believe as part of metadata
    tracking, that would allow such files can be registered by their packages
    and then tracked by dpkg.

    --
    Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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  • From Andrey Rakhmatullin@21:1/5 to Russell Stuart on Mon Apr 1 10:00:01 2024
    On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 01:03:04PM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote:
    On 1/4/24 10:18, gregor herrmann wrote:
    % dpkg -S $(which mv > coreutils: /usr/bin/mv

    On bookworm:

    $ dpkg -S $(which mv)
    dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/bin/mv

    This is caused by the /bin -> /usr/bin shift.

    The reason I'm replying is after one, probably two decades this still
    annoys me:

    $ dpkg -S /etc/profile
    dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/profile

    It was put their by the Debian install, and I'm unlikely to change it.
    Its fairly important security wise. It would be nice if "dpkg -S" told
    me base-files.deb installed it. It would be nice if debsums told me if
    it changed. There are lots of files like this, such as /etc/environment
    and /etc/hosts. There are some directories like /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ which should only have files claimed by some .deb.
    This is the reason I never expect dpkg -S to work and dpkg -L to be
    correct. The (probably) oldest registered bug report about this is
    #213907, from 2003.
    RPM has %ghost since before that, of course.

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    WBR, wRAR

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  • From Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 1 10:50:01 2024
    Hi,

    Quoting Andrey Rakhmatullin (2024-04-01 09:58:21)
    On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 01:03:04PM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote:
    On 1/4/24 10:18, gregor herrmann wrote:
    % dpkg -S $(which mv > coreutils: /usr/bin/mv

    On bookworm:

    $ dpkg -S $(which mv)
    dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/bin/mv

    This is caused by the /bin -> /usr/bin shift.

    The reason I'm replying is after one, probably two decades this still annoys me:

    $ dpkg -S /etc/profile
    dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/profile

    It was put their by the Debian install, and I'm unlikely to change it.
    Its fairly important security wise. It would be nice if "dpkg -S" told
    me base-files.deb installed it. It would be nice if debsums told me if
    it changed. There are lots of files like this, such as /etc/environment and /etc/hosts. There are some directories like /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ which should only have files claimed by some .deb.
    This is the reason I never expect dpkg -S to work and dpkg -L to be
    correct. The (probably) oldest registered bug report about this is #213907, from 2003. RPM has %ghost since before that, of course.

    This is the reason I never expect apt-file search to work. It would be nice if we had a tool which would track the files created by maintainer scripts as well and associate them to packages. Isn't dumat tracking which files are actually created after package installation? If yes, can that data be made searchable?

    Thanks!

    cheers, josch
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  • From Andrey Rakhmatullin@21:1/5 to Fabrice Aeschbacher on Sat Apr 6 09:52:10 2024
    On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 05:02:56PM +0200, Fabrice Aeschbacher wrote:
    "dpkg -S" or "apt-file" give me an incorrect or no answer, most of the
    times.

    Whereas this url always returns a correct answer: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
    Have you tried either of two examples you quoted?


    Le 01/04/2024 à 09:58, Andrey Rakhmatullin a écrit :
    On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 01:03:04PM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote:
    On 1/4/24 10:18, gregor herrmann wrote:
    % dpkg -S $(which mv > coreutils: /usr/bin/mv
    On bookworm:

    $ dpkg -S $(which mv)
    dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/bin/mv

    This is caused by the /bin -> /usr/bin shift.

    The reason I'm replying is after one, probably two decades this still annoys me:

    $ dpkg -S /etc/profile
    dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/profile

    It was put their by the Debian install, and I'm unlikely to change it. Its fairly important security wise. It would be nice if "dpkg -S" told me base-files.deb installed it. It would be nice if debsums told me if it changed. There are lots of files like this, such as /etc/environment and /etc/hosts. There are some directories like /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ which should only have files claimed by some .deb.
    This is the reason I never expect dpkg -S to work and dpkg -L to be correct. The (probably) oldest registered bug report about this is
    #213907, from 2003.
    RPM has %ghost since before that, of course.




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