• looking for debian friendly web app technology

    From Andreas Josef Heil@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 13:20:01 2022
    Hi!

    I'd like to develop a free software web app and I wanne be the debian maintainer for it. It should be fully integrated to debian und freedombox.

    What web technology should I use? My first choice is vuejs/vuetify/express/typeorm, but vuetify and typeorm are not packaged
    for debian. Is it difficult to add them to debian? My second choice is
    be django/bootstrap/jquery. They are packaged for debian but it's not as
    modern as vuejs.

    What do you recommend?

    Thank you very much!

    Regards, Andy

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsOpbXkgTGFs?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 14:00:02 2022
    Hi,


    Le ven. 9 déc. 2022 à 13:13, Andreas Josef Heil <andy.jh92@mailbox.org> a écrit :

    Hi!

    I'd like to develop a free software web app and I wanne be the debian maintainer for it. It should be fully integrated to debian und freedombox.

    What web technology should I use? My first choice is vuejs/vuetify/express/typeorm, but vuetify and typeorm are not packaged
    for debian. Is it difficult to add them to debian? My second choice is
    be django/bootstrap/jquery. They are packaged for debian but it's not as modern as vuejs.

    What do you recommend?


    Could you ask this to pkg-javascript-devel@alioth-lists.debian.net ?

    Thanks,
    Jérémy

    <div dir="ltr">Hi,<br><br><br>Le ven. 9 déc. 2022 à 13:13, Andreas Josef Heil &lt;<a href="mailto:andy.jh92@mailbox.org">andy.jh92@mailbox.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Hi!<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I&#39;d like to develop a free software web app and I
    wanne be the debian<br>&gt; maintainer for it. It should be fully integrated to debian und freedombox.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; What web technology should I use? My first choice is<br>&gt; vuejs/vuetify/express/typeorm, but vuetify and typeorm are not packaged<br>
    &gt; for debian. Is it difficult to add them to debian? My second choice is<br>&gt; be django/bootstrap/jquery. They are packaged for debian but it&#39;s not as<br>&gt; modern as vuejs.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; What do you recommend?<br><br><br>Could you ask this
    to <a href="mailto:pkg-javascript-devel@alioth-lists.debian.net">pkg-javascript-devel@alioth-lists.debian.net</a> ?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Jérémy</div>

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  • From Paul Wise@21:1/5 to Andreas Josef Heil on Sat Dec 10 04:00:01 2022
    On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 13:12 +0100, Andreas Josef Heil wrote:

    I'd like to develop a free software web app and I wanne be the debian maintainer for it. It should be fully integrated to debian und freedombox.

    What web technology should I use?

    Personally I would suggest to focus on static site generators,
    that only produce web pages that utilise progressive enhancement.
    This sort of web site is more performant for users, more flexible
    for hosting and easier to archive at the end of life of the website.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_site_generator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_enhancement

    If possible I would consider making it a Linux desktop app instead.

    --
    bye,
    pabs

    https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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  • From Jonas Smedegaard@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 10 11:10:02 2022
    Quoting Paul Wise (2022-12-10 03:51:20)
    On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 13:12 +0100, Andreas Josef Heil wrote:

    I'd like to develop a free software web app and I wanne be the debian maintainer for it. It should be fully integrated to debian und freedombox.

    What web technology should I use?

    Personally I would suggest to focus on static site generators,
    that only produce web pages that utilise progressive enhancement.
    This sort of web site is more performant for users, more flexible
    for hosting and easier to archive at the end of life of the website.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_site_generator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_enhancement

    If possible I would consider making it a Linux desktop app instead.

    I fully agree with Pabs.

    On top of that, I would suggest to consider not only more sustainable
    _content_ production and consumption through the above methods, but also
    more sustainable _application_ production and consumption: Avoid
    reinventing wheels by breaking the task into components that process
    content via the Micropub standard and other Indieweb mechanisms, and
    then reuse existing components and write only components missing.

    E.g. if you like to code in Perl, then write a Micropub plugin for
    existing static site generator Ikiwiki already part of FreedomBox, so
    that everyone already using Ikiwiki (not only FreedomBox users) can edit
    their content natively e.g. using exisitng Android app Indigenous.

    Or if you like to code in PHP, then write a Micropub plugin for
    Mediawiki, (less sustainable but) also already part of FreedomBox.

    Or maybe skip coding from scratch altogether and instead package
    existing plugin and theme for Wordpress, (also less sustainable but)
    already already part of FreedomBox.

    Or if you like to code in Python, then write a Micropub plugin for
    Radicale, translating between ical data and Micropub Event data.
    Radicale is already in FreedomBox.

    Or maybe write a Micropub media endpoint that hooks into Matrix,
    enabling Micropub-based editors like Indigenous to reuse images and
    videos posted in Matrix rooms. Matrix server is already in FreedomBox.


    https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/
    https://wordpress.org/plugins/micropub/
    https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.indieweb.indigenous/ http://microformats.org/wiki/h-event https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#media-endpoint


    - Jonas

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  • From Andreas Josef Heil@21:1/5 to Jonas Smedegaard on Mon Dec 12 18:20:01 2022
    I think static site generators as well as indie web technology is more
    about websites and social networking, but I wan't a highly interactive
    web app, preferable a single page application. Is there no javascript
    spa framework/lib with a full featured ui library for debian? Vuejs is
    packaged for debian but not vuetifiy. Is it lot of work to package vuetify?

    On 10.12.22 11:06, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
    Quoting Paul Wise (2022-12-10 03:51:20)
    On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 13:12 +0100, Andreas Josef Heil wrote:

    I'd like to develop a free software web app and I wanne be the debian
    maintainer for it. It should be fully integrated to debian und freedombox. >>>
    What web technology should I use?
    Personally I would suggest to focus on static site generators,
    that only produce web pages that utilise progressive enhancement.
    This sort of web site is more performant for users, more flexible
    for hosting and easier to archive at the end of life of the website.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_site_generator
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_enhancement

    If possible I would consider making it a Linux desktop app instead.
    I fully agree with Pabs.

    On top of that, I would suggest to consider not only more sustainable _content_ production and consumption through the above methods, but also
    more sustainable _application_ production and consumption: Avoid
    reinventing wheels by breaking the task into components that process
    content via the Micropub standard and other Indieweb mechanisms, and
    then reuse existing components and write only components missing.

    E.g. if you like to code in Perl, then write a Micropub plugin for
    existing static site generator Ikiwiki already part of FreedomBox, so
    that everyone already using Ikiwiki (not only FreedomBox users) can edit their content natively e.g. using exisitng Android app Indigenous.

    Or if you like to code in PHP, then write a Micropub plugin for
    Mediawiki, (less sustainable but) also already part of FreedomBox.

    Or maybe skip coding from scratch altogether and instead package
    existing plugin and theme for Wordpress, (also less sustainable but)
    already already part of FreedomBox.

    Or if you like to code in Python, then write a Micropub plugin for
    Radicale, translating between ical data and Micropub Event data.
    Radicale is already in FreedomBox.

    Or maybe write a Micropub media endpoint that hooks into Matrix,
    enabling Micropub-based editors like Indigenous to reuse images and
    videos posted in Matrix rooms. Matrix server is already in FreedomBox.


    https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/
    https://wordpress.org/plugins/micropub/ https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.indieweb.indigenous/ http://microformats.org/wiki/h-event https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#media-endpoint


    - Jonas


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  • From Andreas Josef Heil@21:1/5 to Andreas Josef Heil on Mon Dec 12 19:10:01 2022
    I wrote too early sry. A desktop app is also possible. I will use qt.
    Thanks for your time.

    Regards, Andy

    On 12.12.22 18:01, Andreas Josef Heil wrote:
    I think static site generators as well as indie web technology is more
    about websites and social networking, but I wan't a highly interactive
    web app, preferable a single page application. Is there no javascript
    spa framework/lib with a full featured ui library for debian? Vuejs is packaged for debian but not vuetifiy. Is it lot of work to package
    vuetify?

    On 10.12.22 11:06, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
    Quoting Paul Wise (2022-12-10 03:51:20)
    On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 13:12 +0100, Andreas Josef Heil wrote:

    I'd like to develop a free software web app and I wanne be the debian
    maintainer for it. It should be fully integrated to debian und
    freedombox.

    What web technology should I use?
    Personally I would suggest to focus on static site generators,
    that only produce web pages that utilise progressive enhancement.
    This sort of web site is more performant for users, more flexible
    for hosting and easier to archive at the end of life of the website.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_site_generator
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_enhancement

    If possible I would consider making it a Linux desktop app instead.
    I fully agree with Pabs.

    On top of that, I would suggest to consider not only more sustainable
    _content_ production and consumption through the above methods, but also
    more sustainable _application_ production and consumption: Avoid
    reinventing wheels by breaking the task into components that process
    content via the Micropub standard and other Indieweb mechanisms, and
    then reuse existing components and write only components missing.

    E.g. if you like to code in Perl, then write a Micropub plugin for
    existing static site generator Ikiwiki already part of FreedomBox, so
    that everyone already using Ikiwiki (not only FreedomBox users) can edit
    their content natively e.g. using exisitng Android app Indigenous.

    Or if you like to code in PHP, then write a Micropub plugin for
    Mediawiki, (less sustainable but) also already part of FreedomBox.

    Or maybe skip coding from scratch altogether and instead package
    existing plugin and theme for Wordpress, (also less sustainable but)
    already already part of FreedomBox.

    Or if you like to code in Python, then write a Micropub plugin for
    Radicale, translating between ical data and Micropub Event data.
    Radicale is already in FreedomBox.

    Or maybe write a Micropub media endpoint that hooks into Matrix,
    enabling Micropub-based editors like Indigenous to reuse images and
    videos posted in Matrix rooms.  Matrix server is already in FreedomBox.


    https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/
    https://wordpress.org/plugins/micropub/
    https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/
    https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.indieweb.indigenous/
    http://microformats.org/wiki/h-event
    https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#media-endpoint


      - Jonas


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  • From Sam Hartman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 01:50:01 2022
    I wrote too early sry. A desktop app is also possible. I will use qt.
    Thanks for your time.


    QT accessibility has improved a lot, but I suspect that a single page
    web app with vuejs and a good widget set on top of that is going to be
    more accessible than a QT app even today.
    I find I stumble less with web app accessibility than I do with linux
    desktop accessibility, although both are usable.

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  • From Paul Wise@21:1/5 to Andreas Josef Heil on Tue Dec 13 05:00:01 2022
    On Mon, 2022-12-12 at 18:01 +0100, Andreas Josef Heil wrote:

    I wan't a highly interactive web app, A desktop app is also possible.

    What program are you intending to develop?

    --
    bye,
    pabs

    https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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  • From Imre Nagy@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 07:00:01 2022
    Hi,

    What do we think about "accessibility" in this thread? The MSAA like
    helping for visually challenged, or the global avaiblity (and
    acceptance) of QT?

    As of Qt 5.15, (and Qt 6.4.x lately) you do not have to make the hard
    choice between responsive webpage or desktop application, since you can generate both from the same QT source code. The native is native, the
    browser based using WebAssembly technology. (I think MSAA is not yet
    supported for WebAssembly till this date, but please double check this information!)

    The downside of these things, that current Debian does not seem to
    include Qt6 at all and I have no idea when it can go into the mainstream Debian, while there are a lot of project could be waiting for it. (Even
    my one is still pending for Debian). Qt6 for Debian is still in unstable/experimental state, which drives the developers like me to find
    other alternatives instead of Debian or for Debian.

    Best regards,
    Imre

    2022. 12. 13. 1:48 keltezéssel, Sam Hartman írta:
    I wrote too early sry. A desktop app is also possible. I will use qt.
    Thanks for your time.

    QT accessibility has improved a lot, but I suspect that a single page
    web app with vuejs and a good widget set on top of that is going to be
    more accessible than a QT app even today.
    I find I stumble less with web app accessibility than I do with linux
    desktop accessibility, although both are usable.



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  • From Timothy M Butterworth@21:1/5 to nagyimre@nagyimre.com on Tue Dec 13 14:10:01 2022
    On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 12:51 AM Imre Nagy <nagyimre@nagyimre.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    What do we think about "accessibility" in this thread? The MSAA like
    helping for visually challenged, or the global avaiblity (and
    acceptance) of QT?

    As of Qt 5.15, (and Qt 6.4.x lately) you do not have to make the hard
    choice between responsive webpage or desktop application, since you can generate both from the same QT source code. The native is native, the
    browser based using WebAssembly technology. (I think MSAA is not yet supported for WebAssembly till this date, but please double check this information!)

    The downside of these things, that current Debian does not seem to
    include Qt6 at all and I have no idea when it can go into the mainstream Debian, while there are a lot of project could be waiting for it. (Even
    my one is still pending for Debian). Qt6 for Debian is still in unstable/experimental state, which drives the developers like me to find other alternatives instead of Debian or for Debian.

    Qt 6 will not be in debian until debin 13. Bookworm will still have Qt 5
    and KDE 5. You can manually download and install Qt6 on Debian. If you
    target Debian 13 for inclusion of your app that will give you about two
    years to finish it.


    Best regards,
    Imre

    2022. 12. 13. 1:48 keltezéssel, Sam Hartman írta:
    I wrote too early sry. A desktop app is also possible. I will use qt.
    Thanks for your time.

    QT accessibility has improved a lot, but I suspect that a single page
    web app with vuejs and a good widget set on top of that is going to be
    more accessible than a QT app even today.
    I find I stumble less with web app accessibility than I do with linux desktop accessibility, although both are usable.





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    <div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 12:51 AM Imre Nagy &lt;<a href="mailto:nagyimre@nagyimre.com">nagyimre@nagyimre.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="
    gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>

    What do we think about &quot;accessibility&quot; in this thread? The MSAA like <br>
    helping for visually challenged, or the global avaiblity (and <br>
    acceptance) of QT?<br>

    As of Qt 5.15, (and Qt 6.4.x lately) you do not have to make the hard <br> choice between responsive webpage or desktop application, since you can <br> generate both from the same QT source code. The native is native, the <br> browser based using WebAssembly technology. (I think MSAA is not yet <br> suppor
  • From Imre Nagy@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 15:30:01 2022
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    Hi Timothy,

    I understand that, but 2 years from now Qt would be around 6.8-6.9 ...
    possible Qt7?
    So I start to have doubt that Debian could ever catch up.
    Although you are right, that _I_ can install Qt6 from sources, but I
    cannot expect that from all my users. They just want to use it.

    So I am a bit disappointed with this now, although I would like to pay
    my respect and send kudos for all Debian people, since they are doing an enormous job.

    I.

    2022. 12. 13. 14:08 keltezéssel, Timothy M Butterworth írta:


    On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 12:51 AM Imre Nagy <nagyimre@nagyimre.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    What do we think about "accessibility" in this thread? The MSAA like
    helping for visually challenged, or the global avaiblity (and
    acceptance) of QT?

    As of Qt 5.15, (and Qt 6.4.x lately) you do not have to make the hard
    choice between responsive webpage or desktop application, since
    you can
    generate both from the same QT source code. The native is native, the
    browser based using WebAssembly technology. (I think MSAA is not yet
    supported for WebAssembly till this date, but please double check
    this
    information!)

    The downside of these things, that current Debian does not seem to
    include Qt6 at all and I have no idea when it can go into the
    mainstream
    Debian, while there are a lot of project could be waiting for it.
    (Even
    my one is still pending for Debian). Qt6 for Debian is still in
    unstable/experimental state, which drives the developers like me
    to find
    other alternatives instead of Debian or for Debian.

    Qt 6 will not be in debian until debin 13. Bookworm will still have Qt
    5 and KDE 5. You can manually download and install Qt6 on Debian. If
    you target Debian 13 for inclusion of your app that will give you
    about two years to finish it.

    Best regards,
    Imre

    2022. 12. 13. 1:48 keltezéssel, Sam Hartman írta:
    >> I wrote too early sry. A desktop app is also possible. I will
    use qt.
    >> Thanks for your time.
    >
    > QT accessibility has improved a lot, but I suspect that a single
    page
    > web app with vuejs and a good widget set on top of that is going
    to be
    > more accessible than a QT app even today.
    > I find I stumble less with web app accessibility than I do with
    linux
    > desktop accessibility, although both are usable.
    >
    >



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    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
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    <p>Hi Timothy,<br>
    <br>
    I understand that, but 2 years from now Qt would be around 6.8-6.9
    ... possible Qt7?<br>
    So I start to have doubt that Debian could ever catch up.<br>
    Although you are right, that _I_ can install Qt6 from sources, but
    I cannot expect that from all my users. They just want to use it.<br>
    <br>
    So I am a bit disappointed with this now, although I would like to
    pay my respect and send kudos for all Debian people, since they
    are doing an enormous job.<br>
    <br>
    I.<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">2022. 12. 13. 14:08 keltezéssel,
    Timothy M Butterworth írta:<br>
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    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at
    12:51 AM Imre Nagy &lt;<a
    href="mailto:nagyimre@nagyimre.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nagyimre@nagyimre.com</a>&gt;
    wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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    rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
    <br>
    What do we think about "accessibility" in this thread? The
    MSAA like <br>
    helping for visually challenged, or the global avaiblity
    (and <br>
    acceptance) of QT?<br>
    <br>
    As of Qt 5.15, (and Qt 6.4.x lately) you do not have to make
    the hard <br>
    choice between responsive webpage or desktop application,
    since you can <br>
    generate both from the same QT source code. The native is
    native, the <br>
    browser based using WebAssembly technology. (I think MSAA is
    not yet <br>
    supported for WebAssembly till this date, but please double
    check this <br>
    information!)<br>
    <br>
    The downside of these things, that current Debian does not
    seem to <br>
    include Qt6 at all and I have no idea when it can go into
    the mainstream <br>
    Debian, while there are a lot of project could be waiting
    for it. (Even <br>
    my one is still pending for Debian). Qt6 for Debian is still
    in <br>
    unstable/experimental state, which drives the developers
    like me to find <br>
    other alternatives instead of Debian or for Debian.<br>
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    <div>Qt 6 will not be in debian until debin 13. Bookworm will
    still have Qt 5 and KDE 5. You can manually download and
    install Qt6 on Debian. If you target Debian 13 for inclusion
    of your app that will give you about two years to finish it.</div>
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    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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    rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
    Best regards,<br>
    Imre<br>
    <br>
    2022. 12. 13. 1:48 keltezéssel, Sam Hartman írta:<br>
    &gt;&gt; I wrote too early sry. A desktop app is also
    possible. I will use qt.<br>
    &gt;&gt; Thanks for your time.<br>
    &gt;<br>
    &gt; QT accessibility has improved a lot, but I suspect that
    a single page<br>
    &gt; web app with vuejs and a good widget set on top of that
    is going to be<br>
    &gt; more accessible than a QT app even today.<br>
    &gt; I find I stumble less with web app accessibility than I
    do with linux<br>
    &gt; desktop accessibility, although both are usable.<br>
    &gt;<br>
    &gt;<br>
    <br>
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  • From Andreas Josef Heil@21:1/5 to Imre Nagy on Tue Dec 13 21:50:01 2022
    Well qt5 is fine too. I don't need fancy features. I will make a kde app.

    On 13.12.22 05:22, Imre Nagy wrote:
    The downside of these things, that current Debian does not seem to
    include Qt6 at all and I have no idea when it can go into the
    mainstream Debian, while there are a lot of project could be waiting
    for it. (Even my one is still pending for Debian). Qt6 for Debian is
    still in unstable/experimental state, which drives the developers like
    me to find other alternatives instead of Debian or for Debian.

    Best regards,
    Imre

    2022. 12. 13. 1:48 keltezéssel, Sam Hartman írta:
    I wrote too early sry. A desktop app is also possible. I will use qt.

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  • From Andreas Josef Heil@21:1/5 to Paul Wise on Tue Dec 13 21:30:01 2022
    I call it websearch++. It is basically an app for searching the web like
    google or duckduckgo but with additional features. Those features are
    for example: You can assign information (useful, less useful, garbage
    for example) to web search result links or whole domains (useful for blacklisting). Everything gets persisted. This way you won't forget what
    is already checked and what is not checked yet. It's a power user tool
    for careful web searches, where you do not want to miss a search result
    link.

    Do you think it's useful? I would use it.

    Do you know any tools like that? I didn't find something like that.

    On 13.12.22 04:57, Paul Wise wrote:

    On Mon, 2022-12-12 at 18:01 +0100, Andreas Josef Heil wrote:

    I wan't a highly interactive web app, A desktop app is also possible.
    What program are you intending to develop?


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  • From Filippo Rusconi@21:1/5 to Andreas Josef Heil on Tue Dec 13 22:10:02 2022
    Greetings,

    On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 09:27:34PM +0100, Andreas Josef Heil wrote:
    Well qt5 is fine too. I don't need fancy features. I will make a kde app.

    On 13.12.22 05:22, Imre Nagy wrote:
    The downside of these things, that current Debian does not seem to
    include Qt6 at all and I have no idea when it can go into the
    mainstream Debian, while there are a lot of project could be waiting
    for it. (Even my one is still pending for Debian). Qt6 for Debian is
    still in unstable/experimental state, which drives the developers
    like me to find other alternatives instead of Debian or for Debian.

    Qt6 is very well usable in testing. I recently ported my (heavily graphical) programs to Qt6 from Qt5 and that was pretty straightforward. I thinks there are
    reasonable backports to stable, also. That might need some checking, though.

    Sincerely,
    Filippo

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  • From Alastair McKinstry@21:1/5 to Andreas Josef Heil on Thu Dec 15 15:00:01 2022
    Hi,

    Is Qt6-base  not in testing, for bookworm? I've an app (metview) that I switched over Qt5->Qt6, should I move it back?

    regards

    Alastair

    On 13/12/2022 20:27, Andreas Josef Heil wrote:
    Well qt5 is fine too. I don't need fancy features. I will make a kde app.

    On 13.12.22 05:22, Imre Nagy wrote:
    The downside of these things, that current Debian does not seem to
    include Qt6 at all and I have no idea when it can go into the
    mainstream Debian, while there are a lot of project could be waiting
    for it. (Even my one is still pending for Debian). Qt6 for Debian is
    still in unstable/experimental state, which drives the developers
    like me to find other alternatives instead of Debian or for Debian.

    Best regards,
    Imre

    2022. 12. 13. 1:48 keltezéssel, Sam Hartman írta:
    I wrote too early sry. A desktop app is also possible. I will use qt.

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  • From Timothy M Butterworth@21:1/5 to alastair.mckinstry@sceal.ie on Thu Dec 15 16:50:01 2022
    On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 8:51 AM Alastair McKinstry < alastair.mckinstry@sceal.ie> wrote:

    Hi,

    Is Qt6-base not in testing, for bookworm? I've an app (metview) that I switched over Qt5->Qt6, should I move it back?


    Bookworm currently has Qt 6.3.1 and 6.4.0 packaged.


    regards

    Alastair

    On 13/12/2022 20:27, Andreas Josef Heil wrote:
    Well qt5 is fine too. I don't need fancy features. I will make a kde app.

    On 13.12.22 05:22, Imre Nagy wrote:
    The downside of these things, that current Debian does not seem to
    include Qt6 at all and I have no idea when it can go into the
    mainstream Debian, while there are a lot of project could be waiting
    for it. (Even my one is still pending for Debian). Qt6 for Debian is
    still in unstable/experimental state, which drives the developers
    like me to find other alternatives instead of Debian or for Debian.

    Best regards,
    Imre

    2022. 12. 13. 1:48 keltezéssel, Sam Hartman írta:
    I wrote too early sry. A desktop app is also possible. I will use qt.

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    <div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 8:51 AM Alastair McKinstry &lt;<a href="mailto:alastair.mckinstry@sceal.ie">alastair.mckinstry@sceal.ie</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>

    Is Qt6-base  not in testing, for bookworm? I&#39;ve an app (metview) that I <br>
    switched over Qt5-&gt;Qt6, should I move it back?<br> <br></blockquote><div><br>Bookworm currently has Qt <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:monospace">6.3.1 and 6.4.0 packaged.</span></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,
    204);padding-left:1ex">
    regards<br>

    Alastair<br>

    On 13/12/2022 2