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    From Steven Robbins@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 1 23:04:38 2022
    Suddenly half the packages are marked AUTOREMOVE; many due to gcc-12 and zlib. The related two bugs are months-old.

    Why are things suddenly being removed??

    Thanks,
    -Steve

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  • From Andrey Rahmatullin@21:1/5 to Steven Robbins on Fri Sep 2 07:30:01 2022
    On Thu, Sep 01, 2022 at 11:04:38PM -0500, Steven Robbins wrote:
    Suddenly half the packages are marked AUTOREMOVE; many due to gcc-12 and zlib.
    The related two bugs are months-old.

    Why are things suddenly being removed??
    Both are key packages per
    https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/key_packages.yaml.cgi so it must be some
    recent problem that causes the things to ignore that.

    --
    WBR, wRAR

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  • From Paul Gevers@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 2 07:40:01 2022
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  • From Ian Jackson@21:1/5 to Paul Gevers on Fri Sep 2 13:10:01 2022
    Paul Gevers writes ("Re: Half the world being removed"):
    On 02-09-2022 07:27, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
    On Thu, Sep 01, 2022 at 11:04:38PM -0500, Steven Robbins wrote:
    Suddenly half the packages are marked AUTOREMOVE; many due to gcc-12 and zlib.
    The related two bugs are months-old.

    Why are things suddenly being removed??
    Both are key packages per https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/key_packages.yaml.cgi so it must be some recent problem that causes the things to ignore that.

    I'll look into it tonight (UTC+2). I did make one change to udd
    yesterday. I thought it was safe because I just reverted an exception to allow scikit-learns removal.

    There are probably bugs involved.

    Thanks.

    I don't want to add to the stressball but: this isn't the first time
    that we've had malfunctions which want to remove very large numbers of packages. Obviously this is a complicated algorithm and I understand
    that there will be bugs.

    I wonder if it would be possible to detect a sudden large increase in
    the number of autoremovals, and stop the autoremoval system instead of
    causing blaring klaxons for everyone in the project ?

    That might make the failures less disruptive. (And would avoid having
    everyone pile-on.)

    Ian.

    --
    Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> These opinions are my own.

    Pronouns: they/he. If I emailed you from @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk,
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  • From Paul Gevers@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 2 16:30:01 2022
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  • From Ian Jackson@21:1/5 to Paul Gevers on Fri Sep 2 20:30:02 2022
    Paul Gevers writes ("Re: Half the world being removed"):
    On 02-09-2022 13:00, Ian Jackson wrote:
    I wonder if it would be possible to detect a sudden large increase in
    the number of autoremovals, and stop the autoremoval system instead of causing blaring klaxons for everyone in the project ?

    I disabled the cron job that sends out mail yesterday, so the massive
    klaxons shouldn't go off (or are there klaxons I'm not aware of).

    Well, personally I have a grep-excuses cron job that nags me daily
    about autoremovals, becaue the official cron job is rather late.
    Also it shows up in tracker.d.o for every package, DDPO, etc.

    I think to properly silence the alarm it's necessary to prevent the
    decision to autoremove, not just the warnings. (There are other
    obvious possible difficulties ...)

    And
    indeed such a check would be worth while. But to be fair, the code is in
    Perl and I would be afraid that by adding the check I introduce more
    bugs than I solve.

    Do you have someone who will do code review for you ? I hereby
    volunteer. (Send me mail off-list, or something.)

    Regards,
    Ian.

    --
    Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> These opinions are my own.

    Pronouns: they/he. If I emailed you from @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk,
    that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

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  • From Patrice Duroux@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 3 20:10:01 2022
    Hi,

    Am I observing a side effect (kind of back-in-time) regarding a repair process on this issue?
    Because, for instance, the following page:

    https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/fwanalog

    has now its 'news' section showing:

    [2017-09-05] fwanalog 0.6.9-8 MIGRATED to testing (Debian testing watch) [2017-08-30] Accepted fwanalog 0.6.9-8 (source) into unstable (Adam Borowski) [2015-05-30] fwanalog 0.6.9-7 MIGRATED to testing (Britney)
    [2015-05-20] Accepted fwanalog 0.6.9-7 (source all) into unstable (Emanuele Rocca)

    with the lost of the 0.6.9-9 (unstable) related entries when I looked at it few days ago.

    Thanks,
    Patrice

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