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GoodDay Mates,
network connectivity dropping during package download is still there, it
is a major problem, sometimes it works, sometimes not, this used to work
very well.
it will especially annoy new users, so this issue need to be debugged &
fixed!
will also write to SpaceX about it (if it has anything to do with their
setup)
the free version iso seems to have have a network problem during package download: (after software selection)
https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=149974&p=743218#p743218 <
https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=149974&p=743218#p743218>
trying non-free now.
tried yesterday and today installing
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/cu ... 64/iso-cd/ <
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/>
on Lenovo t440
and the problem is still there... this time it downloaded 1388 packages
of 1491 before grinding to a halt...
* after software selection (wanted to try the KDE Desktop, being big
MATE fan for it's simplicity) from the default debian package mirror
https://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ <
https://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/>
it just stops downloading packages after ~100 packages (loses
connectivity) and stays there until timeout[/list]
* downloading isos via wget from just works fine
best regards
On 8/19/21 5:25 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:42 AM admin4 wrote:
is there a Debian "testing" team?
That is composed of everyone who uses Debian and especially those who
decide to report an issue they found.
that does test setups of Debian ISOs on a bunch of different hardware with priority on the most used CPUs like amd64 and i386, (free and non-free versions)),
The Debian CD team do installation testing of each new Debian release
and each new Debian point release. They don't do things like download
RSS feeds or try to use less/vi in the installer though, they just
follow the installer prompts.
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting
1) ask the user if everything works fine (rating from 1 to 5 stars)
and user can add a comment ( send some praise or comments what does/did not work )
I don't think that Debian has enough people to monitor these, we have
enough bug reports and mailing list/forum posts to keep up with as it
is.
2) scan the hardware specs of the system
There is a shared cross-distro hardware database:
https://wiki.debian.org/Hardware/Database
https://linux-hardware.org/
https://bsd-hardware.org/
Unfortunately the script used to upload to the database, called
hw-probe, isn't yet integrated into the Debian installer nor the
Debian live installer (calamares).
https://bugs.debian.org/964853 https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1454
anonymized! without any serials and mac addresses or ip addresses or screen resolutions!, before uploading it to debian.org/hardware-compatibility-list
The above hardware database uses truncated salted hashes of some
hardware identifiers, in order to aggregate repeat uploads of hardware
probes of the same computer.
https://wiki.debian.org/PrivacyIssues#Data_sharing https://github.com/linuxhw/hw-probe#privacy
where the hardware is marked in green (works) orange (can be made to work with this (link) workaround) or red (fails, no fix available currently)
There isn't any way to automatically check if hardware works, you
would need the user to check each item of hardware, make sure they did
the check correctly and only then report it working correctly. We
could create a Debian Live distro for hardware testing/compatibility/reporting/certification, but no-one has done
that yet, although there was an idea and discussion at DebConf to do something similar some years ago.
http://wiki.debian.org/Hardware/Certification
There is a corner of our wiki where Debian users can report their
experience with installing Debian, as well as the option to file
installation reports, which feed back to the installer team.
https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn
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<p>GoodDay Mates,</p>
<p>network connectivity dropping during package download is still
there, it is a major problem, sometimes it works, sometimes not,
this used to work very well.</p>
<p>it will especially annoy new users, so this issue need to be
debugged & fixed!</p>
<p>will also write to SpaceX about it (if it has anything to do with
their setup)<br>
</p>
<p>the free version iso seems to have have a network problem during
package download: (after software selection)</p>
<p><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="
https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=149974&p=743218#p743218">https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=149974&p=743218#p743218</a></p>
<p>trying non-free now.</p>
<p>tried yesterday and today installing <br>
<br>
<a
href="
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/"
class="postlink">
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/cu ...
64/iso-cd/</a><br>
<br>
on Lenovo t440<br>
<br>
and the problem is still there... this time it downloaded 1388
packages of 1491 before grinding to a halt...<br>
</p>
<ul>
<li>after software selection (wanted to try the KDE Desktop, being
big MATE fan for it's simplicity) from the default debian
package mirror <a href="
https://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/"
class="postlink">
https://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/</a></li>
</ul>
it just stops downloading packages after ~100 packages (loses
connectivity) and stays there until timeout[/list]
<ul>
<li>downloading isos via wget from just works fine</li>
</ul>
<p>best regards<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/19/21 5:25 AM, Paul Wise wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:
CAKTje6Fq-tCChwcwUF7vqZZbQQrd9GcShmfC8paxCzseoESNpQ@mail.gmail.com">
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:42 AM admin4 wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">is there a Debian "testing" team? </pre>
</blockquote>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">That is composed of everyone who uses Debian and especially those who
decide to report an issue they found.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">that does test setups of Debian ISOs on a bunch of different hardware with priority on the most used CPUs like amd64 and i386, (free and non-free versions)),
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">The Debian CD team do installation testing of each new Debian release
and each new Debian point release. They don't do things like download
RSS feeds or try to use less/vi in the installer though, they just
follow the installer prompts.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting">https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting</a>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">1) ask the user if everything works fine (rating from 1 to 5 stars)
and user can add a comment ( send some praise or comments what does/did not work )
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I don't think that Debian has enough people to monitor these, we have
enough bug reports and mailing list/forum posts to keep up with as it
is.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">2) scan the hardware specs of the system
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">There is a shared cross-distro hardware database:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="
https://wiki.debian.org/Hardware/Database">https://wiki.debian.org/Hardware/Database</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="
https://linux-hardware.org/">https://linux-hardware.org/</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="
https://bsd-hardware.org/">https://bsd-hardware.org/</a>
Unfortunately the script used to upload to the database, called
hw-probe, isn't yet integrated into the Debian installer nor the
Debian live installer (calamares).
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="
https://bugs.debian.org/964853">https://bugs.debian.org/964853</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="
https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1454">https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1454</a>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">anonymized! without any serials and mac addresses or ip addresses or screen resolutions!, before uploading it to debian.org/hardware-compatibility-list
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">The above hardware database uses truncated salted hashes of some
hardware identifiers, in order to aggregate repeat uploads of hardware
probes of the same computer.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="
https://wiki.debian.org/PrivacyIssues#Data_sharing">https://wiki.debian.org/PrivacyIssues#Data_sharing</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="
https://github.com/linuxhw/hw-probe#privacy">https://github.com/linuxhw/hw-probe#privacy</a>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">where the hardware is marked in green (works) orange (can be made to work with this (link) workaround) or red (fails, no fix available currently)
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">There isn't any way to automatically check if hardware works, you
would need the user to check each item of hardware, make sure they did
the check correctly and only then report it working correctly. We
could create a Debian Live distro for hardware testing/compatibility/reporting/certification, but no-one has done
that yet, although there was an idea and discussion at DebConf to do
something similar some years ago.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="
http://wiki.debian.org/Hardware/Certification">http://wiki.debian.org/Hardware/Certification</a>
There is a corner of our wiki where Debian users can report their
experience with installing Debian, as well as the option to file
installation reports, which feed back to the installer team.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="
https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn">https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
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mit freundlichem Gruß / best regards
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https://www.dwaves.de">https://www.dwaves.de</a> - enact the web
connect the people
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