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    From Tuukka Pasanen@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 20 09:30:01 2022
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    Hello,

    After reading couple times Debian Policy documentation packaging
    conventions and especially'5.6.12.2. Special version conventions'
    chapter. I'm bit confused about revision system. As MariaDB Foundation
    wants to provide upstream packages and currently naming scheme conflicts
    when upgrading from Buster to Bullseye something should be done to solve situation.

    Currently revision is for example: '10.6.7+maria~buster' which upgrades '10.6.7+maria~bullseye' which is lexical orderly lower than first one.To understand this bug report can be found here: https://jira.mariadb.org/browse/MDEV-28628 which contain more info about
    how apt works with current situation.

    Thing that like to ask should revision it be more like '+maria~deb11' or +mariadeb11. I understood that char '~' means it's build from upstream
    version control not from official release tag. As I seek for examples
    there is packages which just add '+' chars in revision when needed extra
    stuff and then revision is just build number without .

    So I like to know is there any common or tasked knowledge about how this
    can be done correctlywhich I'm no aware of? If someone can point out
    that I'm more than pleased to correct this thing.

    Sincerely,
    Tuukka

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    <p>Hello,</p>
    <p>After reading couple times Debian Policy documentation packaging
    conventions and especially<span class="section-number"> '5.6.12.2.
    </span>Special version conventions' chapter. I'm bit confused
    about revision system. As MariaDB Foundation wants to provide
    upstream packages and currently naming scheme conflicts when
    upgrading from Buster to Bullseye something should be done to
    solve situation.</p>
    <p>Currently revision is for example: <span style="color: rgb(0,
    153, 0);">'10.6</span><span style="color: black;">.</span><span
    style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);">7</span><span style="color:
    black;">+maria~buster' which upgrades </span><span
    style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);">'10.6</span><span style="color:
    black;">.</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);">7</span><span
    style="color: black;">+maria~bullseye' which is lexical orderly
    lower than </span><span style="color: black;">first one.</span><span
    style="color: black;"> To understand this bug report can be
    found here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://jira.mariadb.org/browse/MDEV-28628">https://jira.mariadb.org/browse/MDEV-28628</a> which
    contain more info about how apt works with current situation.<br>
    </span></p>
    <p><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;">Thing
    that like to ask should revision it be more like </span></span>'<span
    style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;"><span
    style="color: black;">+maria~deb11' or </span></span></span><span
    style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;"><span
    style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;">+mariadeb11.
    I understood that char '~' means it's build from upstream
    version control not from official release tag. As I seek
    for examples there is packages which just add '+' chars in
    revision when needed extra stuff and then revision is just
    build number without . <br>
    </span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;"><span
    style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;">So I like
    to know is there any common or tasked knowledge about how
    this can be done correctly</span></span></span></span><span
    style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;"><span
    style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;"> which I'm
    no aware of</span></span></span></span><span style="color:
    black;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;"><span
    style="color: black;">? If someone can point out that I'm
    more than pleased to correct this thing.<br>
    </span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;"><span
    style="color: black;"><span style="color: black;">Sincerely,<br>
    Tuukka<br>
    </span></span></span></span></p>
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  • From Timo =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=B6hling?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 20 10:00:01 2022
    Hi Tuukka,

    * Tuukka Pasanen <pasanen.tuukka@gmail.com> [2022-05-20 10:22]:
    Currently revision is for example: '10.6.7+maria~buster' which
    upgrades '10.6.7+maria~bullseye' which is lexical orderly lower than
    first one.To understand this bug report can be found here: >https://jira.mariadb.org/browse/MDEV-28628 which contain more info
    about how apt works with current situation.

    Thing that like to ask should revision it be more like '+maria~deb11'
    or +mariadeb11. I understood that char '~' means it's build from
    upstream version control not from official release tag. As I seek for >examples there is packages which just add '+' chars in revision when
    needed extra stuff and then revision is just build number without .
    Your understanding is a bit oversimplified, and that is the source
    of your confusion. There are two aspects to your question:

    For the actual sorting order of debian versions, you can read the deb-version(5) manpage [1]. The tilde '~' character is special
    because it sorts before anything else, even the empty string, but
    it has no inherent meaning.

    For the meaning of version numbers, there are conventions for
    different use-cases. They are designed to create a sane ordering of
    versions, so packages update smoothly the way you would expect.

    One such convention is the backport suffix ~bpo<N>. The idea is that
    you can have a version 1.4 in an old release (let's say Debian 11),
    backport version 1.5 from testing, and give it the version
    1.5~bpo11. This way, it will be considered newer than any 1.4
    package (even 1.4.9999999), but still older than the original 1.5,
    so if you ever upgrade your system to the next Debian release, the
    backported version will be replaced by the original package
    automatically.

    Like all conventions, it is somewhat arbitrary, and there are other
    schemes that would achieve the same effect. The conventions used in
    Debian just happen to be thoroughly tested and work for a wide range
    of edge cases.

    Cheers
    Timo

    [1] https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/dpkg-dev/deb-version.5.en.html

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  • From Andrey Rahmatullin@21:1/5 to Jonas Smedegaard on Fri May 20 11:10:01 2022
    On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 10:52:08AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
    It only makes sense to use '+maria~deb11' if you are going to
    also release '+maria' that needs to sort after all of those, or if you are using/going to use some '+maria+foo' scheme(s) that, again, need to sort after all of '+maria~foo'.

    Not true: It *is* helpful that you include a "distro label" as part of
    your version suffix - as documented here: https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Guidelines#Packages
    For the avoidance of doubt, I meant using ~ as a separator.


    --
    WBR, wRAR

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  • From Jonas Smedegaard@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 20 11:00:01 2022
    Quoting Andrey Rahmatullin (2022-05-20 10:10:34)
    On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 10:22:55AM +0300, Tuukka Pasanen wrote:
    Thing that like to ask should revision it be more like '+maria~deb11' or +mariadeb11. I understood that char '~' means it's build from upstream version control not from official release tag.

    Use suffix "+maria1" (where "1" is bumped for each new release you make derived from same Debian package.


    It only makes sense to use '+maria~deb11' if you are going to
    also release '+maria' that needs to sort after all of those, or if you are using/going to use some '+maria+foo' scheme(s) that, again, need to sort after all of '+maria~foo'.

    Not true: It *is* helpful that you include a "distro label" as part of
    your version suffix - as documented here: https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Guidelines#Packages

    Please consider registering your Debian addendum as our derivatives census at https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census


    Thanks for asking this question,

    - Jonas

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  • From Andrey Rahmatullin@21:1/5 to Tuukka Pasanen on Fri May 20 10:20:01 2022
    On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 10:22:55AM +0300, Tuukka Pasanen wrote:
    After reading couple times Debian Policy documentation packaging conventions and especially'5.6.12.2. Special version conventions' chapter. I'm bit confused about revision system. As MariaDB Foundation wants to provide upstream packages and currently naming scheme conflicts when upgrading from Buster to Bullseye something should be done to solve situation.

    Currently revision is for example: '10.6.7+maria~buster' which upgrades '10.6.7+maria~bullseye' which is lexical orderly lower than first one.To understand this bug report can be found here: https://jira.mariadb.org/browse/MDEV-28628 which contain more info about how apt works with current situation.
    You indeed shouldn't put codenames into versions as codenames don't sort correctly. You should put release version numbers, like official stable
    updates and backports do (e.g. "[...]deb11[...]).

    Thing that like to ask should revision it be more like '+maria~deb11' or +mariadeb11. I understood that char '~' means it's build from upstream version control not from official release tag.
    No, the only thing ~ means is "a tilde sorts before anything, even the end
    of a part". It only makes sense to use '+maria~deb11' if you are going to
    also release '+maria' that needs to sort after all of those, or if you are using/going to use some '+maria+foo' scheme(s) that, again, need to sort
    after all of '+maria~foo'.

    So I like to know is there any common or tasked knowledge about how this can be done correctlywhich I'm no aware of? If someone can point out that I'm more than pleased to correct this thing.
    There are no policies governing version structures for unofficial
    packages, you should use whatever works for you.

    --
    WBR, wRAR

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