• Re: Bug#1068479 cynically closed by Rene Engelhard (R

    From Rene Engelhard@21:1/5 to You could have on Sun Apr 7 21:10:01 2024
    XPost: linux.debian.devel

    Hi,

    Am 07.04.24 um 20:59 schrieb José Luis González:
    Am 06.04.24 um 00:34 schrieb José Luis González:
    The setting for spacing between paragraphs is missing in the spacing
    and indentation tab of the paragraph dialog.
    ?

    It's definitely there. Format -> Paragraph has spacing "after/before".
    I meant spacing between paragraphs, not spacing after and before
    paragraphs. The report was crystal clear.
    No, it wasn't.
    The difference, for those who didn't realize is space after paragraph
    happens always, and between only between them, being the regular
    separation between paragraphs (the other is formatting, and isn't
    useful as a substitute because it adds something undesirable at the end
    of the document or between paragraphs and other kinds of block
    elements).

    Aha.


    Still not RC.


    You could have replied to my mails, though.

    As said here and proved by screenshots in en,de and es this is present.
    Why should anybody provide a screenshot of a feature that is missing?
    What would be the screenshot of? Vacuum?

    Read again, I didn't ask for screenshots.


    Closing this non-bug.
    The non-bug that should be closed is your brain pretending a RC bug
    doesn't exist, especially since you fully knew it was a bug, and you
    closed it just because it bothers you having a RC one in the package.
    If you don't want to maintain the package leave the position for other
    who does, and stop ruining Debian's Quality and bothering me.

    Even if there was a bug it's not RC.

    From: José Luis González <bugs.jlg@gmail.com>
    To: submit@bugs.debian.org
    Subject: libreoffice-writer: space between paragraphs missing in spacing and indentation
    Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2024 00:34:12 +0200
    X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.8.0beta1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)

    Package: libreoffice-writer
    Version: 4:7.4.7-1+deb12u1
    Severity: serious

    The setting for spacing between paragraphs is missing in the spacing
    and indentation tab of the paragraph dialog.

    Serious severity because the bug has a major effect on the usability of
    the package, without rendering it completely unusable, considering
    paragraphs are a key feature in a word processor, and spacing is
    something very very basic for them and incredibly necessary.

    And again: That is the definition of important at most, not serious.


    Read the bug severities.


    Regards,


    Rene

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  • From Marvin Renich@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 8 14:00:01 2024
    XPost: linux.debian.devel

    * José Luis González <bugs.jlg@gmail.com> [240407 15:00]:
    reopen 1068479
    thanks

    Hi all,

    Rene Engelhard seems to be a worse case even than Ricardo Mones. Take a
    look at my recent bug reports to libreoffice-writer and his replies.

    In this one:

    Am 06.04.24 um 11:03 schrieb Rene Engelhard:
    Am 06.04.24 um 00:34 schrieb José Luis González:
    The setting for spacing between paragraphs is missing in the spacing
    and indentation tab of the paragraph dialog.

    ?

    It's definitely there. Format -> Paragraph has spacing "after/before".

    I meant spacing between paragraphs, not spacing after and before
    paragraphs. The report was crystal clear.

    The difference, for those who didn't realize is space after paragraph
    happens always, and between only between them, being the regular
    separation between paragraphs (the other is formatting, and isn't
    useful as a substitute because it adds something undesirable at the end
    of the document or between paragraphs and other kinds of block
    elements).


    First, please carefully consider the reply from Pierre-Elliott Bécue.
    The tone of your email is way out of line. If this is the way you
    regularly communicate, I would not be surprised that Rene closes your
    bug reports.

    It is clear to me from your quote of Rene's response that Rene honestly believed he was answering your question and the bug should be closed.
    Politely expressing the difference between the current behavior and what
    you were asking for, and at the same time reopening the bug (at a proper severity), would have been appropriate. It should have been done in the
    bug tracker and _not_ on this list. I've set Reply-To to the bug report
    only.

    I don't use libreoffice daily, but I do use it. If this is a case that lowriter already has a way to obtain "between" spacing, but it is just
    not in the proper dialog box, then this is a "normal" bug at most,
    possibly "minor". However, I don't believe lowriter ever had such a
    feature. If this is the case, the severity is "wishlist", and not
    higher. (If it does have this feature, I would personally be interested
    in how to do it!)

    In no way would I consider this an "important" bug, and absolutely not "serious" or RC.

    All missing or not-yet-implemented features might be considered to have
    a "major effect on usability" by someone, but in almost all cases, such
    a feature request is still only a "wishlist" bug. Please don't confuse
    the difference between how you would like the software to behave and how
    it is currently designed to behave as being anything more than a feature request, regardless of how important you believe the feature is.

    ...Marvin

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