* When the discussion eventually dies down, the Debian Secretary will
review all messages and pronounce the winner.
To avoid confusion, we'll maintain the same acronym as before. The new
system will be called Debian Grandiose Reflection.
How will "the strength of the wording" be measured? I am not a DD, just a debian user, curious about the new process.
Also, doesn't this give more influence to those developers with more time to write more mails, if the number of messages will be taken into account?
(If this message breaks the mailing list protocol in any way, I am deeply sorry, I am new to these debian mailing lists)
Alejandro Nadal
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 19:53 Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> wrote:
Hello Debian Members,
For some time, we have been having systemic issues that make GR
discussions painful. GRs themselves shouldn't be painful, and don't need
to be. Having a chilling effect to using GRs hurts Debian, and as a
project we need a way to poll for consensus on project choices and
directions more often than not.
To overcome the current problems with GR discussions, we introduce a replacement weighted democratic system. The new procedure is this:
* A developer proposes an issue with a signed message on
debian-vote@lists.debian.org .
* Anyone can express their consent or dissent by replying to the
message.
* When the discussion eventually dies down, the Debian Secretary will
review all messages and pronounce the winner.
This method makes the fair assumption that the energy spent in writing messages to the discussion is related to the amount of insight a person
has on an issue, and how much they care about it. In particular:
* The more messages a person writes, the more the person cares, and the
more their opinion will be taken into account: people who only write
every once in a while, clearly don't think the issue is important
enough to deserve their real effort.
* The more strongly worded replies are, the more the person cares, and
the more their opinion will be taken into account: people who waste
time with long, polite, well reasoned messages, clearly didn't care
enough to get emotional about an issue.
* The longer a person keeps writing, the more the person cares, and the
more their opinion will be taken into account: people who give up,
clearly didn't care enough to make themselves heard.
To avoid confusion, we'll maintain the same acronym as before. The new
system will be called Debian Grandiose Reflection.
The first GR using this scheme will concern the introduction of this
voting scheme for the future.
Enrico
--
GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org>
Hello Debian Members,
For some time, we have been having systemic issues that make GR
discussions painful. GRs themselves shouldn't be painful, and don't need
to be. Having a chilling effect to using GRs hurts Debian, and as a
project we need a way to poll for consensus on project choices and
directions more often than not.
To overcome the current problems with GR discussions, we introduce a replacement weighted democratic system. The new procedure is this:
* A developer proposes an issue with a signed message on
debian-vote@lists.debian.org .
* Anyone can express their consent or dissent by replying to the
message.
* When the discussion eventually dies down, the Debian Secretary will
review all messages and pronounce the winner.
This method makes the fair assumption that the energy spent in writing messages to the discussion is related to the amount of insight a person
has on an issue, and how much they care about it. In particular:
* The more messages a person writes, the more the person cares, and the
more their opinion will be taken into account: people who only write
every once in a while, clearly don't think the issue is important
enough to deserve their real effort.
* The more strongly worded replies are, the more the person cares, and
the more their opinion will be taken into account: people who waste
time with long, polite, well reasoned messages, clearly didn't care
enough to get emotional about an issue.
* The longer a person keeps writing, the more the person cares, and the
more their opinion will be taken into account: people who give up,
clearly didn't care enough to make themselves heard.
To avoid confusion, we'll maintain the same acronym as before. The new
system will be called Debian Grandiose Reflection.
The first GR using this scheme will concern the introduction of this
voting scheme for the future.
Enrico
--
GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini < enrico@enricozini.org>
<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Alejandro Nadal</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 19:53 Enrico Zini <<a href="mailto:enrico@enricozini.org">enrico@enricozini.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello Debian Members,<br>
Swearing and personal attacks are great ways to demonstrate your passion. >Comparisons to communism, genocides and nazis are all particularly strong.
On 1 Apr 2021, at 00:06, Alejandro Nadal <alexandronadal@gmail.com> wrote:
How will "the strength of the wording" be measured? I am not a DD, just a debian user, curious about the new process.
Swearing and personal attacks are great ways to demonstrate your passion. Comparisons to communism, genocides and nazis are all particularly strong.
Regarding the following, written by "Jessica Clarke" on 2021-04-01 at
00:12 Uhr +0100:
Swearing and personal attacks are great ways to demonstrate your passion. Comparisons to communism, genocides and nazis are all particularly strong.
It's also become increasingly obvious that men are useless at tech, and
their contributions should regularly be dismissed based on their biology. Bonus points for finding ways to do so that are completely out of context
and uncalled for, and as with anything else: the more offensive, the better. --
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:' : proud Debian developer
.'http://people.debian.org/~madduck- Debian - when you have better things
to do than fixing systems
"politics is the entertainment branch of industry."
-- frank zappa
So,
Em 31/03/2021 19:52, Enrico Zini escreveu:
Hello Debian Members,
* The more messages a person writes, the more the person cares, and the >> more their opinion will be taken into account: people who only write >> every once in a while, clearly don't think the issue is important
enough to deserve their real effort.
If i have time to spam to list, my opinion will be stronger than a
opinion from a person who are doing an important work and can't reply a
lot e-mails?
Is it really serious?
On 3/31/21 7:12 PM, Jessica Clarke wrote:
Will my contribution score yield a higher metric with key misspellings
of common words? Because I've never been a fan of the spellchecker (big brother) and would love to cast off its piercing disdain.
Hello Debian Members,
For some time, we have been having systemic issues that make GR
discussions painful. GRs themselves shouldn't be painful, and don't need
to be. Having a chilling effect to using GRs hurts Debian, and as a
project we need a way to poll for consensus on project choices and
directions more often than not.
To overcome the current problems with GR discussions, we introduce a replacement weighted democratic system. The new procedure is this:
* A developer proposes an issue with a signed message on
debian-vote@lists.debian.org .
* Anyone can express their consent or dissent by replying to the
message.
* When the discussion eventually dies down, the Debian Secretary will
review all messages and pronounce the winner.
This method makes the fair assumption that the energy spent in writing messages to the discussion is related to the amount of insight a person
has on an issue, and how much they care about it. In particular:
* The more messages a person writes, the more the person cares, and the
more their opinion will be taken into account: people who only write
every once in a while, clearly don't think the issue is important
enough to deserve their real effort.
* The more strongly worded replies are, the more the person cares, and
the more their opinion will be taken into account: people who waste
time with long, polite, well reasoned messages, clearly didn't care
enough to get emotional about an issue.
* The longer a person keeps writing, the more the person cares, and the
more their opinion will be taken into account: people who give up,
clearly didn't care enough to make themselves heard.
To avoid confusion, we'll maintain the same acronym as before. The new
system will be called Debian Grandiose Reflection.
The first GR using this scheme will concern the introduction of this
voting scheme for the future.
Hello Debian Members,
For some time, we have been having systemic issues that make GR
discussions painful. GRs themselves shouldn't be painful, and don't need
to be. Having a chilling effect to using GRs hurts Debian, and as a
project we need a way to poll for consensus on project choices and
directions more often than not.
To overcome the current problems with GR discussions, we introduce a >replacement weighted democratic system. The new procedure is this:
* A developer proposes an issue with a signed message on
debian-vote@lists.debian.org .
* Anyone can express their consent or dissent by replying to the
message.
* When the discussion eventually dies down, the Debian Secretary will
review all messages and pronounce the winner.
This method makes the fair assumption that the energy spent in writing >messages to the discussion is related to the amount of insight a person
has on an issue, and how much they care about it. In particular:
* The more messages a person writes, the more the person cares, and the
more their opinion will be taken into account: people who only write
every once in a while, clearly don't think the issue is important
enough to deserve their real effort.
* The more strongly worded replies are, the more the person cares, and
the more their opinion will be taken into account: people who waste
time with long, polite, well reasoned messages, clearly didn't care
enough to get emotional about an issue.
* The longer a person keeps writing, the more the person cares, and the
more their opinion will be taken into account: people who give up,
clearly didn't care enough to make themselves heard.
To avoid confusion, we'll maintain the same acronym as before. The new
system will be called Debian Grandiose Reflection.
The first GR using this scheme will concern the introduction of this
voting scheme for the future.
Enrico
--
GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org>
On 1 Apr 2021, at 00:06, Alejandro Nadal <alexandronadal@gmail.com> wrote:
(If this message breaks the mailing list protocol in any way, I am
deeply sorry, I am new to these debian mailing lists)
Top-posting is awful and should be an instant rejection of any opinions for a GR IMO, same as non-plaintext replies and not line-wrapping.
Bonus points for writing the entire reply as an attached .doc, or evenKindly refer to the EBCDIC encoded WordStar document on my dial-in BBS
better .ppt, file (MS Office 1997 version or earlier).
Bonus points for writing the entire reply as an attached .doc, or even
better .ppt, file (MS Office 1997 version or earlier).
* Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> [2021-04-01 11:19]:
Bonus points for writing the entire reply as an attached .doc, or even better .ppt, file (MS Office 1997 version or earlier).Kindly refer to the EBCDIC encoded WordStar document on my dial-in BBS
for a thorough rebuttal.
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