• Current Corresponding Ubuntu Version

    From Joshua Blagden@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 20 06:40:02 2021
    Hi,

    I'm trying to install Handbrake from the official Handbrake repository
    so I can get a newer version than the one in the Debian Testing
    repository. I would just use the one from the Debian Testing repository,
    but it has a terrible memory leak problem, to the point where if you
    have it render enough previews, it'll exhaust your system's memory and
    quit. I think I just need to choose the right branch of the Handbrake repository. Unfortunately, it's geared toward Ubuntu, so you have to
    choose the Ubuntu codename which corresponds to the version of Debian
    that you're running. I'm running Debian Testing* and I usually update
    every couple days to keep everything running smoothly. Which version of
    Ubuntu does Debian Testing currently correspond to?



    *Partially because I built my current system back in November and Debian
    Stable didn't have a new enough kernel and GPU drivers for my system -
    MSI B550 Gaming Plus, AMD Ryzen 5600X, Sapphire RX 5600 XT.



    Thanks,

            Josh Blagden

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  • From Dan Ritter@21:1/5 to Joshua Blagden on Tue Apr 20 20:40:02 2021
    Joshua Blagden wrote:
    Hi,

    I'm trying to install Handbrake from the official Handbrake repository so I can get a newer version than the one in the Debian Testing repository. I would just use the one from the Debian Testing repository, but it has a terrible memory leak problem, to the point where if you have it render
    enough previews, it'll exhaust your system's memory and quit. I think I just need to choose the right branch of the Handbrake repository. Unfortunately, it's geared toward Ubuntu, so you have to choose the Ubuntu codename which corresponds to the version of Debian that you're running. I'm running Debian Testing* and I usually update every couple days to keep everything running smoothly. Which version of Ubuntu does Debian Testing currently correspond to?

    It doesn't.

    Ubuntu's schedule is (IIRC) to release twice a year, and every 2
    years makes a .04 release into a long-term-support version.

    Debian's schedule is to release stable (approximating what
    Ubuntu thinks of as LTS, but Debian uses that term differently)
    whenever stable is ready.

    In addition to stable, there is backports, unstable and testing.

    backports is available to add to each stable release, so for
    example buster is stable right now, so buster-backports can be
    added to it.

    unstable and testing are complete distributions, but you are
    advised not to use them if you don't know why you are using
    them.

    Packages in unstable are freshly compiled and have no security
    support. You should expect them to change rapidly, have major
    bugs, and not have those bugs fixed quickly.

    After a package has been in unstable for 2-10 days (depending on the
    urgency of the upload), and the package has been built for all the architectures which the present version in testing was built for, and Installing the package into testing will not make the distribution more uninstallable, and the package is not known to introduce new release
    critical bugs... it can go into testing.

    Testing is cyclic: right now, it is relatively quiet (for a
    sample desktop, 1-50 package updates a day) because it is
    getting close to release time.

    At release time, stable becomes oldstable, testing becomes
    stable. The major version is incremented.

    And soon after that release, testing will become a near-anarchy
    for the next year or three.

    Hope that helps.

    Also, read
    https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian

    -dsr-

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  • From Celejar@21:1/5 to Dan Ritter on Wed Apr 21 02:30:01 2021
    On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 14:13:19 -0400
    Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:


    ...

    Packages in unstable are freshly compiled and have no security
    support. You should expect them to change rapidly, have major
    bugs, and not have those bugs fixed quickly.

    To clarify: while it is true that

    "there are no security updates for unstable"

    and that

    "The fact is that some security issues might appear in unstable and not
    in the stable distribution. This is due to new functionality constantly
    being added to the applications provided there, as well as new
    applications being included which might not yet have been thoroughly
    tested."

    it is also true that

    "When a security fix is prepared, the Security Team backports the patch
    to stable (since stable is usually some minor or major versions
    behind). Package maintainers are responsible for preparing packages for
    the unstable branch, usually based on a new upstream release. Sometimes
    the changes happen at nearly the same time and sometimes one of the
    releases gets the security fix before. Packages for the stable
    distribution are more thoroughly tested than unstable, since the latter
    will in most cases provide the latest upstream release (which might
    include new, unknown bugs).

    Security updates are available for the unstable branch usually when the
    package maintainer makes a new package and for the stable branch when
    the Security Team make a new upload and publish a DSA."

    https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-manual/ch10.en.html#id-1.11.2.5

    So while it's true that unstable doesn't get dedicated security
    support, it's an open question as to whether unstable or stable will
    get any given security fix first.

    Celejar

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  • From Andrew M.A. Cater@21:1/5 to Joshua Blagden on Thu Apr 22 15:40:01 2021
    On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 12:35:16AM -0400, Joshua Blagden wrote:
    Hi,

    I'm trying to install Handbrake from the official Handbrake repository so I can get a newer version than the one in the Debian Testing repository. I would just use the one from the Debian Testing repository, but it has a terrible memory leak problem, to the point where if you have it render
    enough previews, it'll exhaust your system's memory and quit. I think I just need to choose the right branch of the Handbrake repository. Unfortunately, it's geared toward Ubuntu, so you have to choose the Ubuntu codename which corresponds to the version of Debian that you're running. I'm running Debian Testing* and I usually update every couple days to keep everything running smoothly. Which version of Ubuntu does Debian Testing currently correspond to?



    *Partially because I built my current system back in November and Debian Stable didn't have a new enough kernel and GPU drivers for my system - MSI B550 Gaming Plus, AMD Ryzen 5600X, Sapphire RX 5600 XT.



    Thanks,

    Josh Blagden


    First things first - check your /etc/apt/sources.list

    It's probably a good idea to change anything that says "testing" to
    something that says bullseye right now- that way, when Bullseye gets released (possibly within the month) you won't end up with a huge churn as
    Testing points to Bookworm and begins another two years of churn.

    To clarify, what you probably need is somethin close to this

    #

    deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib
    deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib

    deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye/updates main contrib non-free
    deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye/updates main contrib non-free

    # bullseye-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
    deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free

    # This system was installed using small removable media
    # (e.g. netinst, live or single CD). The matching "deb cdrom"
    # entries were disabled at the end of the installation process.
    # For information about how to configure apt package sources,
    # see the sources.list(5) manual.

    Current Ubuntu - 21.04 - will probably have been based on a mixture of
    Debian unstable/testing.

    To be honest - always take Debian native packages if you can: you really
    don't want to be mixing things and creating a FrankenDebian.

    Hope this helps,

    Andy C.

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  • From JAM8@21:1/5 to Andrew M.A. Cater on Thu Apr 22 15:50:01 2021
    unsubscribe

    On April 22, 2021 9:24:03 AM EDT, "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> wrote:
    On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 12:35:16AM -0400, Joshua Blagden wrote:
    Hi,

    I'm trying to install Handbrake from the official Handbrake
    repository so I
    can get a newer version than the one in the Debian Testing
    repository. I
    would just use the one from the Debian Testing repository, but it has
    a
    terrible memory leak problem, to the point where if you have it
    render
    enough previews, it'll exhaust your system's memory and quit. I think
    I just
    need to choose the right branch of the Handbrake repository.
    Unfortunately,
    it's geared toward Ubuntu, so you have to choose the Ubuntu codename
    which
    corresponds to the version of Debian that you're running. I'm running >Debian
    Testing* and I usually update every couple days to keep everything
    running
    smoothly. Which version of Ubuntu does Debian Testing currently
    correspond
    to?



    *Partially because I built my current system back in November and
    Debian
    Stable didn't have a new enough kernel and GPU drivers for my system
    - MSI
    B550 Gaming Plus, AMD Ryzen 5600X, Sapphire RX 5600 XT.



    Thanks,

            Josh Blagden


    First things first - check your /etc/apt/sources.list

    It's probably a good idea to change anything that says "testing" to >something that says bullseye right now- that way, when Bullseye gets
    released
    (possibly within the month) you won't end up with a huge churn as
    Testing points to Bookworm and begins another two years of churn.

    To clarify, what you probably need is somethin close to this

    #

    deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib
    deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib

    deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye/updates main
    contrib non-free
    deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye/updates
    main contrib non-free

    # bullseye-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
    deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib
    non-free
    deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib
    non-free

    # This system was installed using small removable media
    # (e.g. netinst, live or single CD). The matching "deb cdrom"
    # entries were disabled at the end of the installation process.
    # For information about how to configure apt package sources,
    # see the sources.list(5) manual.

    Current Ubuntu - 21.04 - will probably have been based on a mixture of >Debian unstable/testing.

    To be honest - always take Debian native packages if you can: you
    really
    don't want to be mixing things and creating a FrankenDebian.

    Hope this helps,

    Andy C.

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    the official Handbrake repository so I<br>can get a newer version than the one in the Debian Testing repository. I<br>would just use the one from the Debian Testing repository, but it has a<br>terrible memory leak problem, to the point where if you have
    it render<br>enough previews, it'll exhaust your system's memory and quit. I think I just<br>need to choose the right branch of the Handbrake repository. Unfortunately,<br>it's ge
  • From Pierre-Elliott =?utf-8?B?QsOpY3Vl?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 24 15:10:05 2021
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