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    From bartender@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 28 01:20:01 2018
    Jetzt, da Sie die Diskussion über Partitionen eröffnet haben, lassen Sie mich diesen Vorschlag machen!

    now that we are on the subject of petitions let me just add a suggestion! someday someone is going to try to format a detachable Drive but his fat finger will make the mistake of formatting your main Drive instead. if he catches his mistake in time he
    can stop the computer; but what you want to have on your slices and petitions is something in very low memory and something in very high memory that will not be so critical. in other words your our home petition should not be the first petition or the
    last, not in extreme High memory and not in extreme low memory of your storage device. of course there are many ways to approach this but here's one suggestion :

    partition 5
    tmp

    p 6
    swap

    p 2
    /

    p 3
    home

    p 4
    swap

    p 7 and up alloted as you like


    Ciao!
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    ---- Boris <boris@cation.de> wrote:

    =============
    Hallo Sascha,

    nun habe ich keine Lust mehr zum umsortieren. Praktischerweise schreibt
    man auf Listen den eigenen Beitrag unter das Zitat, um den gesamten
    Thread chronologisch lesbar zu machen.

    Am 23.10.2018 um 07:43 schrieb Sascha Furtner:
    Hallo Boris,

    zunächst Danke für den Hinweis bzgl. der Liste. Ich bin davon ausgegangen, dass Antworten automatisch an die Liste gehen, da es bei anderen Listen auch so ist.

    Das ist kein Feature einer Liste.


    Die ersten 4 Partitionen gehören Windows, wobei Partition 4 primär mit MBR ist.

    Partition 5 ist als EXT4 und 6 als Swap formatiert. Das System bootet mit UEFII. Windows Schnellstart und security Boot sind deaktiviert.

    Sorry, da blick' ich nicht durch. Was sind das für drei Partitionen vor
    der Partition 4? Extended? Und 5 und 6?

    Grundsätzlich musst Du erneut von einer CD (oder einem Stick) booten und
    grub neu installieren. Da ich mich mit UEFI nicht gut genug auskenne,
    gebe ich Dir dazu keinen konkreten Tipp, sondern nur noch diesen Link https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall
    und den Hinweis, dass ein Backup ein guter Schutz vor Datenverlust ist.

    good luck,

    Boris

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  • From Andreas Schindler@21:1/5 to bartender on Sun Oct 28 12:50:01 2018
    This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format.

    Partitions on SSD devices are contra productive altogether!

    Multiple partitions are relicts from times where storage was small and
    file systems were unreliable.
    Today you have huge (SSD-) disks along with gigabytes of very fast memory.

    Have your SSD device manage as much of it's space on it's own strategy
    to extend the life of the SSD and get most advantage of automatic bad
    block replacement.

    Two or more swap partitions on the same physical device make no sense. Swapping will  not benefit from this arrangement.

    BTW, swap should be completely _unused_ during normal computer operation
    if you don't want a snail slow machine.
    Consider to install a swap file instead of a swap partition for the rare
    cases where you run out of physical  memory.

    The only situation you really want a _large_ swap is IMHO when
    developing kernel programs to get access to the whole messy system via a
    crash dump.

    So, on an EFI system, all you need is

    - EFI partition
    - root partition

    and, of course a reliable file system. I'm personally happy with BTRFS.
    Never had serious problems, but benefits like snapshot, resize and friends.

    Consider frequent backups! SSDs will usually die _completely_ without announcement.

    Andreas

    On 28.10.18 01:10, bartender wrote:
    Jetzt, da Sie die Diskussion über Partitionen eröffnet haben, lassen Sie mich diesen Vorschlag machen!

    now that we are on the subject of petitions let me just add a suggestion! someday someone is going to try to format a detachable Drive but his fat finger will make the mistake of formatting your main Drive instead. if he catches his mistake in time
    he can stop the computer; but what you want to have on your slices and petitions is something in very low memory and something in very high memory that will not be so critical. in other words your our home petition should not be the first petition or
    the last, not in extreme High memory and not in extreme low memory of your storage device. of course there are many ways to approach this but here's one suggestion :

    partition 5
    tmp

    p 6
    swap

    p 2
    /

    p 3
    home

    p 4
    swap

    p 7 and up alloted as you like


    Ciao!
    ///
    //////// |(°) . \\\
    //////// - | : \\\\
    //////// - | : \\\\
    //////// |(°) ' \\\
    ///


    ---- Boris <boris@cation.de> wrote:

    =============
    Hallo Sascha,

    nun habe ich keine Lust mehr zum umsortieren. Praktischerweise schreibt
    man auf Listen den eigenen Beitrag unter das Zitat, um den gesamten
    Thread chronologisch lesbar zu machen.

    Am 23.10.2018 um 07:43 schrieb Sascha Furtner:
    Hallo Boris,

    zunächst Danke für den Hinweis bzgl. der Liste. Ich bin davon ausgegangen, dass Antworten automatisch an die Liste gehen, da es bei anderen Listen auch so ist.
    Das ist kein Feature einer Liste.

    Die ersten 4 Partitionen gehören Windows, wobei Partition 4 primär mit MBR ist.

    Partition 5 ist als EXT4 und 6 als Swap formatiert. Das System bootet mit UEFII. Windows Schnellstart und security Boot sind deaktiviert.
    Sorry, da blick' ich nicht durch. Was sind das für drei Partitionen vor
    der Partition 4? Extended? Und 5 und 6?

    Grundsätzlich musst Du erneut von einer CD (oder einem Stick) booten und grub neu installieren. Da ich mich mit UEFI nicht gut genug auskenne,
    gebe ich Dir dazu keinen konkreten Tipp, sondern nur noch diesen Link https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall
    und den Hinweis, dass ein Backup ein guter Schutz vor Datenverlust ist.

    good luck,

    Boris






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  • From Leslie S Satenstein@21:1/5 to bartender on Sun Oct 28 13:40:01 2018
    Btrfs does copy on write (cow). It is the ideal file system to guarantee a shorter SSD life.If running btrfs on an SSD, the recommendation is to move /var to a non-ssd drive. I use btrfs on spinners but not with SSDs.
    Checkout the use of xfs for / and do make a separate /home, (with ext4 format).

    Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

    On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 7:45 AM, Andreas Schindler<andreas.schindler@schindlerman.de> wrote: Partitions on SSD devices are contra productive altogether!

    Multiple partitions are relicts from times where storage was small and
    file systems were unreliable.
    Today you have huge (SSD-) disks along with gigabytes of very fast memory.

    Have your SSD device manage as much of it's space on it's own strategy
    to extend the life of the SSD and get most advantage of automatic bad
    block replacement.

    Two or more swap partitions on the same physical device make no sense. Swapping will  not benefit from this arrangement.

    BTW, swap should be completely _unused_ during normal computer operation
    if you don't want a snail slow machine.
    Consider to install a swap file instead of a swap partition for the rare
    cases where you run out of physical  memory.

    The only situation you really want a _large_ swap is IMHO when
    developing kernel programs to get access to the whole messy system via a
    crash dump.

    So, on an EFI system, all you need is

    - EFI partition
    - root partition

    and, of course a reliable file system. I'm personally happy with BTRFS.
    Never had serious problems, but benefits like snapshot, resize and friends.

    Consider frequent backups! SSDs will usually die _completely_ without announcement.

    Andreas

    On 28.10.18 01:10, bartender wrote:
    Jetzt, da Sie die Diskussion über Partitionen eröffnet haben, lassen Sie mich diesen Vorschlag machen!

    now that we are on the subject of petitions let me just add a suggestion!  someday someone is going to try to format a detachable Drive but his fat finger will make the mistake of formatting your main Drive instead.  if he catches his mistake in time
    he can stop the computer; but what you want to have on your slices and petitions is something in very low memory and something in very high memory that will not be so critical.  in other words your our home petition should not be the first petition or
    the last, not in extreme High memory and not in extreme low memory of your storage device.  of course there are many ways to approach this but here's one suggestion :

    partition 5
        tmp

    p 6
        swap

    p    2
        /

    p    3
        home

    p    4
        swap

    p 7 and up alloted as you like


    Ciao!
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    ---- Boris <boris@cation.de> wrote:

    =============
    Hallo Sascha,

    nun habe ich keine Lust mehr zum umsortieren. Praktischerweise schreibt
    man auf Listen den eigenen Beitrag unter das Zitat, um den gesamten
    Thread chronologisch lesbar zu machen.

    Am 23.10.2018 um 07:43 schrieb Sascha Furtner:
    Hallo Boris,

    zunächst Danke für den Hinweis bzgl. der Liste. Ich bin davon ausgegangen, dass Antworten automatisch an die Liste gehen, da es bei anderen Listen auch so ist.
    Das ist kein Feature einer Liste.

    Die ersten 4 Partitionen gehören Windows, wobei Partition 4 primär mit MBR ist.

    Partition 5 ist als EXT4 und 6 als Swap formatiert. Das System bootet mit UEFII. Windows Schnellstart und security Boot sind deaktiviert.
    Sorry, da blick' ich nicht durch. Was sind das für drei Partitionen vor
    der Partition 4? Extended? Und 5 und 6?

    Grundsätzlich musst Du erneut von einer CD (oder einem Stick) booten und grub neu installieren. Da ich mich mit UEFI nicht gut genug auskenne,
    gebe ich Dir dazu keinen konkreten Tipp, sondern nur noch diesen Link https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall
    und den Hinweis, dass ein Backup ein guter Schutz vor Datenverlust ist.

    good luck,

    Boris






    Btrfs does copy on write (cow). It is the ideal file system to guarantee a shorter SSD life.<div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1540729790435">If running btrfs on an SSD, the recommendation is to move /var to a non-ssd drive.&nbsp;</div><div id="yMail_
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    (with ext4 format).<br><br><div id="ymail_android_signature"><a href="https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&amp;c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&amp;af_wl=ym&amp;af_sub1=Internal&amp;af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&amp;af_sub3=
    EmailSignature">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></div> <br> <blockquote style="margin: 0 0 20px 0;"> <div style="font-family:Roboto, sans-serif; color:#6D00F6;"> <div>On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 7:45 AM, Andreas Schindler</div><div>&lt;andreas.schindler@
    schindlerman.de&gt; wrote:</div> </div> <div style="padding: 10px 0 0 20px; margin: 10px 0 0 0; border-left: 1px solid #6D00F6;"> Partitions on SSD devices are contra productive altogether!<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Multiple partitions are relicts
    from times where storage was small and <br clear="none">file systems were unreliable.<br clear="none">Today you have huge (SSD-) disks along with gigabytes of very fast memory.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Have your SSD device manage as much of it's
    space on it's own strategy <br clear="none">to extend the life of the SSD and get most advantage of automatic bad <br clear="none">block replacement.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Two or more swap partitions on the same physical device make no sense. <
    br clear="none">Swapping will&nbsp; not benefit from this arrangement.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">BTW, swap should be completely _unused_ during normal computer operation <br clear="none">if you don't want a snail slow machine.<br clear="none">
    Consider to install a swap file instead of a swap partition for the rare <br clear="none">cases where you run out of physical&nbsp; memory.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The only situation you really want a _large_ swap is IMHO when <br clear="none">
    developing kernel programs to get access to the whole messy system via a <br clear="none">crash dump.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">So, on an EFI system, all you need is<br clear="none"><br clear="none">- EFI partition<br clear="none">- root partition<
    br clear="none"><br clear="none">and, of course a reliable file system. I'm personally happy with BTRFS. <br clear="none">Never had serious problems, but benefits like snapshot, resize and friends.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Consider frequent
    backups! SSDs will usually die _completely_ without <br clear="none">announcement.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Andreas<br clear="none"><div class="yqt0739793415 yQTDBase" id="yqtfd86568"><br clear="none">On 28.10.18 01:10, bartender wrote:<br clear="
    none">&gt; Jetzt, da Sie die Diskussion über Partitionen eröffnet haben, lassen Sie mich diesen Vorschlag machen!<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt; now that we are on the subject of petitions let me just add a suggestion!&nbsp; someday someone
    is going to try to format a detachable Drive but his fat finger will make the mistake of formatting your main Drive instead.&nbsp; if he catches his mistake in time he can stop the computer; but what you want to have on your slices and petitions is
    something in very low memory and something in very high memory that will not be so critical.&nbsp; in other words your our home petition should not be the first petition or the last, not in extreme High memory and not in extreme low memory of your
    storage device.&nbsp; of course there are many ways to approach this but here's one suggestion :<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt; partition 5<br clear="none">&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; tmp<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt; p 6<br clear="
    none">&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; swap<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt; p&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2<br clear="none">&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt; p&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3<br clear="none">&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; home<br
    clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt; p&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4<br clear="none">&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; swap<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt; p 7 and up alloted as you like<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt; Ciao!<br
    clear="none">&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ///<br clear="none">&gt;&nbsp; //////// |(°)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; .&nbsp; \\\<br clear="none">&gt; ////////&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -&nbsp; |&nbsp; :&nbsp; \\\\<br clear="none">&gt; ///////
    /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -&nbsp; |&nbsp; :&nbsp; \\\\<br clear="none">&gt;&nbsp; //////// |(°)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; '&nbsp; \\\<br clear="none">&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; ///<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&
    gt; ---- Boris &lt;<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:boris@cation.de" href="mailto:boris@cation.de">boris@cation.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt; =============<br clear="none">&gt; Hallo Sascha,<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="
    none">&gt; nun habe ich keine Lust mehr zum umsortieren. Praktischerweise schreibt<br clear="none">&gt; man auf Listen den eigenen Beitrag unter das Zitat, um den gesamten<br clear="none">&gt; Thread chronologisch lesbar zu machen.<br clear="none">&gt;<
    br clear="none">&gt; Am 23.10.2018 um 07:43 schrieb Sascha Furtner:<br clear="none">&gt;&gt; Hallo Boris,<br clear="none">&gt;&gt;<br clear="none">&gt;&gt; zunächst Danke für den Hinweis bzgl. der Liste. Ich bin davon ausgegangen, dass Antworten
    automatisch an die Liste gehen, da es bei anderen Listen auch so ist.<br clear="none">&gt; Das ist kein Feature einer Liste.<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt;&gt; Die ersten 4 Partitionen gehören Windows, wobei Partition 4 primär mit MBR ist.<
    br clear="none">&gt;&gt;<br clear="none">&gt;&gt; Partition 5 ist als EXT4 und 6 als Swap formatiert. Das System bootet mit UEFII. Windows Schnellstart und security Boot sind deaktiviert.<br clear="none">&gt; Sorry, da blick' ich nicht durch. Was sind
    das für drei Partitionen vor<br clear="none">&gt; der Partition 4? Extended? Und 5 und 6?<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt; Grundsätzlich musst Du erneut von einer CD (oder einem Stick) booten und<br clear="none">&gt; grub neu installieren. Da
    ich mich mit UEFI nicht gut genug auskenne,<br clear="none">&gt; gebe ich Dir dazu keinen konkreten Tipp, sondern nur noch diesen Link<br clear="none">&gt; <a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall" target="_blank">https://wiki.
    debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall</a><br clear="none">&gt; und den Hinweis, dass ein Backup ein guter Schutz vor Datenverlust ist.<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt; good luck,<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt; Boris<br clear="none">&gt;<br
    clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </blockquote></div>

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  • From =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn_Mork?=@21:1/5 to Leslie S Satenstein on Sun Oct 28 16:00:02 2018
    Leslie S Satenstein <lsatenstein@yahoo.com> writes:

    BTW, swap should be completely _unused_ during normal computer operation
    if you don't want a snail slow machine.
    Consider to install a swap file instead of a swap partition for the rare cases where you run out of physical  memory.

    The only situation you really want a _large_ swap is IMHO when
    developing kernel programs to get access to the whole messy system via a crash dump.

    You might want enough swap to support hibernation. Even if you don't
    use it normally, it can be quite useful for the situations where the
    battery runs out completely.

    See https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation and https://wiki.debian.org/SystemdSuspendSedation for more details


    Bjørn

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  • From David - DCPC@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 29 12:40:02 2018
    Hi,

    Another cas where I use partitions is to avoid FS saturation on the root or important FS.
    Like if a log goes crazy, we can only freeze the /var fs, and then you can still manage the system. If the / is full, it's harder to debug (seen cases where even login was impossible with 0 byte free...), and sure that system crash and potential data lost.

    But sure that i work more on servers than personnal laptop :)

    Interesting topic, even if i didn't have SSD for servers on recent install.

    David

    Le dim. 28 oct. 2018 à 15:18, Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> a écrit :

    Leslie S Satenstein <lsatenstein@yahoo.com> writes:

    BTW, swap should be completely _unused_ during normal computer operation
    if you don't want a snail slow machine.
    Consider to install a swap file instead of a swap partition for the rare cases where you run out of physical memory.

    The only situation you really want a _large_ swap is IMHO when
    developing kernel programs to get access to the whole messy system via a crash dump.

    You might want enough swap to support hibernation. Even if you don't
    use it normally, it can be quite useful for the situations where the
    battery runs out completely.

    See https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation and https://wiki.debian.org/SystemdSuspendSedation for more details


    Bjørn



    --
    Salutations,
    David CHALON

    <div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Another cas where I use partitions is to avoid FS saturation on the root or important FS.</div><div>Like if a log goes crazy, we can only freeze the /var fs, and then you can still manage the system. If the / is full,
    it&#39;s harder to debug (seen cases where even login was impossible with 0 byte free...), and sure that system crash and potential data lost.</div><div><br></div><div>But sure that i work more on servers than personnal laptop :)</div><div><br></div><
    Interesting topic, even if i didn&#39;t have SSD for servers on recent install.</div><div><br></div><div>David</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le dim. 28 oct. 2018 à 15:18, Bjørn Mork &lt;<a href="mailto:bjorn@mork.no">
    bjorn@mork.no</a>&gt; a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Leslie S Satenstein &lt;<a href="mailto:lsatenstein@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ls
  • From Dave Horsfall@21:1/5 to David - DCPC on Mon Oct 29 22:00:01 2018
    On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, David - DCPC wrote:

    Another cas where I use partitions is to avoid FS saturation on the root
    or important FS.

    Yep.

    Like if a log goes crazy, we can only freeze the /var fs, and then you
    can still manage the system. If the / is full, it's harder to debug
    (seen cases where even login was impossible with 0 byte free...), and
    sure that system crash and potential data lost.

    Exactly. The Mac also shoves everything under / as well, and I don't like
    it for the same reasons. Those who believe in a single file system have obviously never experienced the joys of filling up the root file system.

    I also have security concerns about world-writable directories e.g. /tmp
    and /var/tmp on the root file system.

    Then again, what would I know? I've been using Unix for only 40+ years...

    But sure that i work more on servers than personnal laptop :)

    Well, I use my laptops to access my FreeBSD server; here's its layout:

    aneurin% df -h
    Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
    /dev/ad0s1a 496M 302M 154M 66% /
    devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev
    tmpfs 989M 76K 989M 0% /tmp
    /dev/ad0s1d 2.9G 1.4G 1.3G 53% /usr
    /dev/ad0s1e 989M 538M 372M 59% /var
    /dev/ad0s1f 3.9G 1.5G 2.1G 41% /home
    /dev/ad0s1g 8.9G 7.1G 1.0G 87% /usr/local
    fdescfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev/fd
    procfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% /proc

    Everything nice and isolated from each other... Yes, it's a small system.

    Interesting topic, even if i didn't have SSD for servers on recent install.

    I still don't trust SSDs, because you never know what's really happening.

    -- Dave

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  • From DI Florian Reitmeir@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 29 23:10:01 2018
    Hi,


    Am 28.10.2018 um 11:58 schrieb Andreas Schindler:
    Partitions on SSD devices are contra productive altogether!
    this statement does not make any sense, and the conclusions from it...
    the storage ssd or disk, does not know about partitions and it does not
    care.

    partitions are only a logical way in organizing storage, which can make
    sense or not.

    it is a false assumption that a swap parition on a ssd is using some
    ssd-disk blocks more intensive than others.
    the ssd cares for it self, and is rotating the internal storage to avoid
    a partial breakdown of the disk.

    a swap file, or a swap parition does not matter both use static logical
    blocks on the disk. on most
    filesystems a swapfile cannot defragmented.

    http://accelazh.github.io/images/ftl-hybrid-mapping-alanwu.jpg

    greetings

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  • From bartender@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 30 19:10:01 2018
    a swapfilze cannot defragmented.
    "

    Believe it!
    Irrespective of the hardware, partitions are useful for those who decide to use them, use them to prevent overflow from one part of the file system from "spilling over" into another category, trashing the data on Your / slice with new jazz from your /tmp,
    and so forth and so further.

    You have to remember that there is a wide range of projects that are done with Linux, a fat gamut of users and super/users. Great thing about Linus is that he has something for each of us.


    Ciao!
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    //////// - | : \\\\
    //////// |(°) ' \\\
    ///


    ---- DI Florian Reitmeir <florian@reitmeir.org> wrote:

    =============
    Hi,


    Am 28.10.2018 um 11:58 schrieb Andreas Schindler:
    Partitions on SSD devices are contra productive altogether!
    this statement does not make any sense, and the conclusions from it...
    the storage ssd or disk, does not know about partitions and it does not
    care.

    partitions are only a logical way in organizing storage, which can make
    sense or not.

    it is a false assumption that a swap parition on a ssd is using some
    ssd-disk blocks more intensive than others.
    the ssd cares for it self, and is rotating the internal storage to avoid
    a partial breakdown of the disk.

    a swap file, or a swap parition does not matter both use static logical
    blocks on the disk. on most
    filesystems a swapfile cannot defragmented.

    http://accelazh.github.io/images/ftl-hybrid-mapping-alanwu.jpg

    greetings

    --
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    +43 670 6051903 | PGP E3F7 DDFB 7CEB 121B 156A D11F F22E DEC8 6317 5E70

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