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    From ChangZhuo Chen =?utf-8?B?KOmZs+aYjO@21:1/5 to Boyuan Yang on Tue May 2 16:00:01 2017
    On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 05:19:38PM +0800, Boyuan Yang wrote:
    ## 切换默认字体的提议

    基于以上状况,我有如下的几点提议:

    1. 选用思源黑体作为 Debian 系统中文桌面环境上的默认无衬线字体。
    1.1. 具体操作:将上述涉及的三个 task-chinese-* 软件包中的 fonts-wqy-zenhei, fonts-wqy-microhei 推
    荐选项**删除**或是**移动**至建议(Suggests)区域,同时添加 fonts-noto-cjk 至软件包推荐(Recommends)区域。

    2. 考虑使用思源宋体提供 Debian 系统中文环境上的默认衬线字体。
    2.1. 具体操作:针对上述涉及的三个 task-chinese-* 软件包中的 fonts-arphic-uming 推荐项,考虑将其替换为思源宋体。
    保留 fonts-arphic-ukai 的安装,但确保其 fontconfig 优先级低于思源宋体。

    No problem for me, but please help to check with other fonts
    maintainers.


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  • From Yao Wei@21:1/5 to Boyuan Yang on Tue May 2 16:30:02 2017
    Hi,

    我個人認為,該用黑體的地方就該用黑體,該用宋體的地方就用宋體,兩個並沒有衝突。
    況且原本因為 GNOME 預設英文字體 Cantarell 有問題,把 Adobe CFF 關掉的 patch
    也拿掉了 (bug #730742, #795653),所以我支持改成思源系列字體。

    我個人習慣現在的效果,反而宋體在低解析度或小字的狀況沒有很好。

    On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 05:19:38PM +0800, Boyuan Yang wrote:
    今天来谈一下 Debian 桌面环境上默认中文字体的问题。

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  • From ChangZhuo Chen =?utf-8?B?KOmZs+aYjO@21:1/5 to Boyuan Yang on Tue May 2 17:40:01 2017
    On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 09:47:01PM +0800, Boyuan Yang wrote:
    Sure. I'll start the work after Stretch release so it won't be that urgent.

    BTW There's a potential big problem with experimental fonts-noto-cjk: fontconfig postinst trigger (fc-cache regeneration) would take even more time
    to generate cache for **both** sans and serif fonts and freeze the computer. Splitting binary packages might be a better choice.

    I think this is unavoidable for such a big fonts like Noto Sans/Serif
    CJK. We already has issue about freeze the computer even without Serif
    fonts (#84505).

    Even with splitted packages, user still feels freeze when doing upgrade,
    so I think splitting due to freeze might not be a good idea.

    在 2017年5月2日星期二 CST 下午5:44:46,Tong Hui 写道:
    从我个人的使用来看,目前已经没有依赖文泉驿字体的软件包了,之前发现某一个 WINE 的软件还在依赖,但是可以很容易修改。

    很遗憾依赖的软件还是有的:

    % apt rdepends fonts-wqy-zenhei
    fonts-wqy-zenhei
    Reverse Depends:
    依赖: ttf-wqy-zenhei
    推荐: education-lang-zh-tw-desktop
    依赖: megaglest
    依赖: mediawiki2latex
    推荐: task-chinese-t-desktop
    推荐: task-chinese-s-desktop
    依赖: megaglest

    % apt rdepends fonts-wqy-microhei
    fonts-wqy-microhei
    Reverse Depends:
    依赖: ttf-wqy-microhei
    推荐: education-lang-zh-tw-desktop
    推荐: manaplus-data
    依赖: widelands
    推荐: task-chinese-t-desktop
    推荐: task-chinese-s-desktop
    建议: neverball-common
    依赖: marsshooter
    推荐: manaplus-data

    It looks like we can do some cleanup for them. Maybe after Stretch?

    同时也希望基于 GPLv3 的 Fandol 系列字体可以被系统使用,这样加入了思源系列和 Fandol 系列中文字体以后,很多用 Latex
    写论文的朋友就不需要从 Windows 下面再转移字体了。

    这个问题可能会比较大。我对 Debian 字体方面的政策不是很熟悉, texlive 的字体是否能为系统 fontconfig 所用,
    又该如何使用,这个我还没研究过也没听说过先例,重新打包一份又会导致重复。另外字体是否需要从源代码开始
    构建也不清楚(思源黑体并没有从源代码开始构建,也许这个违背了 Debian Policy 也说不定)。

    I think one solution is to split the font from texlive-lang-chinese, and
    use soft link to put it in properly location so that fontconfig can use
    them.

    As for fonts-noto-cjk, Google does not provide anything other than font
    files themselves. So the font files is the only file format we have, and
    they are the preferable source format for source package.


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  • From ChangZhuo Chen =?utf-8?B?KOmZs+aYjO@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 5 19:20:01 2017
    On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 08:56:01PM +0800, ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬) wrote:
    On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 05:19:38PM +0800, Boyuan Yang wrote:
    ## 切换默认字体的提议

    基于以上状况,我有如下的几点提议:

    1. 选用思源黑体作为 Debian 系统中文桌面环境上的默认无衬线字体。
    1.1. 具体操作:将上述涉及的三个 task-chinese-* 软件包中的 fonts-wqy-zenhei, fonts-wqy-microhei 推
    荐选项**删除**或是**移动**至建议(Suggests)区域,同时添加 fonts-noto-cjk 至软件包推荐(Recommends)区域。

    2. 考虑使用思源宋体提供 Debian 系统中文环境上的默认衬线字体。
    2.1. 具体操作:针对上述涉及的三个 task-chinese-* 软件包中的 fonts-arphic-uming 推荐项,考虑将其替换为思源宋体。
    保留 fonts-arphic-ukai 的安装,但确保其 fontconfig 优先级低于思源宋体。

    No problem for me, but please help to check with other fonts
    maintainers.

    I think we can start to implement this part. Any objection?


    --
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  • From Kan-Ru Chen@21:1/5 to Medical Wei on Wed Sep 6 06:00:02 2017
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

    Yes, please go ahead, no objections.

    Kanru

    On Wed, Sep 6, 2017, at 09:22 AM, Medical Wei wrote:
    Go ahead. Can’t wait to see the changes!
    On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 at 00:13 ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬)
    <czchen@debian.org> wrote:>> On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 08:56:01PM +0800, ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬) wrote:>> > On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 05:19:38PM +0800, Boyuan Yang wrote:
    ## 切换默认字体的提议

    基于以上状况,我有如下的几点提议:

    1. 选用思源黑体作为 Debian 系统中文桌面环境上的默认无衬线字体。
    1.1. 具体操作:将上述涉及的三个 task-chinese-* 软件包中的 fonts-wqy-zenhei, fonts-wqy-
    microhei 推>> > > 荐选项**删除**或是**移动**至建议(Suggests)区域,同时添加 fonts-noto-cjk
    至软件包推荐(Recommends)区域。>> > >
    2. 考虑使用思源宋体提供 Debian 系统中文环境上的默认衬线字体。
    2.1. 具体操作:针对上述涉及的三个 task-chinese-* 软件包中的 fonts-arphic-uming
    推荐项,考虑将其替换为思源宋体。>> > > 保留 fonts-arphic-ukai 的安装,但确保其 fontconfig 优先级低于思源宋体。

    No problem for me, but please help to check with other fonts
    maintainers.

    I think we can start to implement this part. Any objection?


    --
    ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬) czchen@{czchen,debconf,debian}.org
    http://czchen.info/
    Key fingerprint = BA04 346D C2E1 FE63 C790 8793 CC65 B0CD EC27 5D5B

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    <body><div>Yes, please go ahead, no objections.<br></div>
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    <div>Kanru<br></div>
    <div><br></div>
    <div>On Wed, Sep 6, 2017, at 09:22 AM, Medical Wei wrote:<br></div>
    <blockquote type="cite"><div>Go ahead. Can’t wait to see the changes!<br></div>
    <div defang_data-gmailquote="yes"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 at 00:13 ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬) &lt;<a href="mailto:czchen@debian.org">czchen@debian.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
    <blockquote defang_data-gmailquote="yes" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div>On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 08:56:
    01PM +0800, ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬) wrote:<br></div>
    <div> &gt; On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 05:19:38PM +0800, Boyuan Yang wrote:<br></div>
    <div> &gt; &gt; ## 切换默认字体的提议<br></div>
    <div> &gt; &gt;<br></div>
    <div> &gt; &gt; 基于以上状况,我有如下的几点提议:<br></div> <div> &gt; &gt;<br></div>
    <div> &gt; &gt; 1. 选用思源黑体作为 Debian 系统中文桌面环境上的默认无衬线字体。<br></div>
    <div> &gt; &gt; 1.1. 具体操作:将上述涉及的三个 task-chinese-* 软件包中的 fonts-wqy-zenhei, fonts-wqy-microhei 推<br></div>
    <div> &gt; &gt; 荐选项**删除**或是**移动**至建议(Suggests)区域,同时添加 fonts-noto-cjk 至软件包推荐(Recommends)区域。<br></div>
    <div> &gt; &gt;<br></div>
    <div> &gt; &gt; 2. 考虑使用思源宋体提供 Debian 系统中文环境上的默认衬线字体。<br></div>
    <div> &gt; &gt; 2.1. 具体操作:针对上述涉及的三个 task-chinese-* 软件包中的 fonts-arphic-uming 推荐项,考虑将其替换为思源宋体。<br></div>
    <div> &gt; &gt; 保留 fonts-arphic-ukai 的安装,但确保其 fontconfig 优先级低于思源宋体。<br></div>
    <div> &gt;<br></div>
    <div> &gt; No problem for me, but please help to check with other fonts<br></div>
    <div> &gt; maintainers.<br></div>
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    <div> I think we can start to implement this part. Any objection?<br></div> <div> <br></div>
    <div> <br></div>
    <div> --<br></div>
    <div> ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬) czchen@{czchen,debconf,debian}.org<br></div> <div> <a href="http://czchen.info/">http://czchen.info/</a><br></div>
    <div> Key fingerprint = BA04 346D C2E1 FE63 C790&nbsp; 8793 CC65 B0CD EC27 5D5B<br></div>
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  • From ChangZhuo Chen =?utf-8?B?KOmZs+aYjO@21:1/5 to Boyuan Yang on Sat Sep 9 10:30:01 2017
    On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 03:50:39PM +0800, Boyuan Yang wrote:

    第一部分正在进行: https://bugs.debian.org/861934

    待下一次 tasksel 上传软件包即可。但据 tasksel 维护者的建议,由于 Suggests 并没有实际作用,故选择删除原有文泉驿字体的推荐项。

    第二部分仍待研究,重点是关于 fontconfig 默认优先级的问题需要解决。欢迎测试并提出具体实施建议。

    I think the priority is in /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/65-nonlatin.conf
    in fontconfig-config package.


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  • From ChangZhuo Chen =?utf-8?B?KOmZs+aYjO@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 10:40:01 2017
    On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 03:20:54PM +0800, ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬) wrote:
    On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 03:50:39PM +0800, Boyuan Yang wrote:

    第一部分正在进行: https://bugs.debian.org/861934

    待下一次 tasksel 上传软件包即可。但据 tasksel 维护者的建议,由于 Suggests 并没有实际作用,故选择删除原有文泉驿字体的推荐项。

    第二部分仍待研究,重点是关于 fontconfig 默认优先级的问题需要解决。欢迎测试并提出具体实施建议。

    I think the priority is in /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/65-nonlatin.conf in fontconfig-config package.

    For fontconfig upstream, we might submit an issue like this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20911 to change the
    priority of fonts.


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