Hi,

For the ones already using telegram, we created a debian nordics group over there.

Feel free to join us.

Best Regards,
Helio Loureiro
http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
http://twitter.com/helioloureiro

<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>For the ones already using telegram, we created a debian nordics group over there.</div><div><br></div><div>Feel free to join us.</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="
gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Best Regards,<br>Helio Loureiro<br><a href="http://helio.loureiro.eng.br/" target="_blank">http://helio.loureiro.eng.br</a><br><a href="http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro" target="_blank">http://br.linkedin.com/in/
helioloureiro</a><br><a href="http://twitter.com/helioloureiro" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/helioloureiro</a><br></div></div></div></div></div>

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Joined :)

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 3:52 PM Helio Loureiro <helio@loureiro.eng.br>
wrote:

Hi,

For the ones already using telegram, we created a debian nordics group
over there.

Feel free to join us.

Best Regards,
Helio Loureiro
http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
http://twitter.com/helioloureiro

<div dir="ltr">Joined :)</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 3:52 PM Helio Loureiro &lt;<a href="mailto:helio@loureiro.eng.br">helio@loureiro.eng.br</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_
quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>For the ones already using telegram, we created a debian nordics group over there.</div><div><br></div><div>Feel free to
join us.</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_-3744301434848178519gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Best Regards,<br>Helio Loureiro<br><a href="http://helio.loureiro.eng.br/" target="_blank">http://helio.loureiro.eng.br</a><br><a
href="http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro" target="_blank">http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro</a><br><a href="http://twitter.com/helioloureiro" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/helioloureiro</a><br></div></div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div>

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Hi Helio,

On 2019-06-25 15:51, Helio Loureiro wrote:

For the ones already using telegram, we created a debian nordics group
over there.

I might join, but I am not sure whether it is a really good idea to
promote a non-free-service like Telegram from within Debian.

In terms of chat, we already have #debian-nordic, which is admittedly
pretty dead. For this reason, I am a bit skeptical whether adding a
fourth venue of communication besides the two mailinglists and
#debian-nordic on IRC will improve matters.

Note, that I don't mean to be discouraging and I do appreciate any
effort to put more life into the Nordic and Swedish Debian communities!

Regards, Andreas

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I agree with Andreas, would like a try to reboot chat based on a free
system (as well). However also agree on any initiative where Debian can
be present is good. I say "yes and" to Telegram (directed toward
newcomers) and hope to see you all at IRC!

Best,
Mattias

On 2019-06-25 18:34, Andreas Gnau wrote:

Hi Helio,

On 2019-06-25 15:51, Helio Loureiro wrote:

For the ones already using telegram, we created a debian nordics group
over there.

I might join, but I am not sure whether it is a really good idea to
promote a non-free-service like Telegram from within Debian.

In terms of chat, we already have #debian-nordic, which is admittedly
pretty dead. For this reason, I am a bit skeptical whether adding a
fourth venue of communication besides the two mailinglists and
#debian-nordic on IRC will improve matters.

Note, that I don't mean to be discouraging and I do appreciate any
effort to put more life into the Nordic and Swedish Debian communities!

Regards, Andreas

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I agree that we should encourage a true open source alternative like
Mattermost or Matrix.org or Zulip instead.

<div dir="auto">I agree that we should encourage a true open source alternative like Mattermost or Matrix.org or Zulip instead.<div dir="auto"><br></div></div>

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Hi,

As much as I love free software, I also need to consider how to make things more active.

We can have IRC, Matrix, Mastodon, Diaspora, etc. But the last two Debian meetups I hosted nobody from this mailing list showed up. So we are
talking about an empty audience. And worse: during the events, nobody was using Debian in their laptops (me included).

And everything is definitely mobile nowadays. Telegram isn't an attempt to hijack this mailing list or any other communication media, but to increase
the possibilities. Even for newcomers.

BTW I use the free software client named "plus" to access Telegram.

Best Regards,
Helio Loureiro
http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
http://twitter.com/helioloureiro


On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:15 PM Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> wrote:

I agree that we should encourage a true open source alternative like Mattermost or Matrix.org or Zulip instead.

<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>As much as I love free software, I also need to consider how to make things more active.</div><div><br></div><div>We can have IRC, Matrix, Mastodon, Diaspora, etc.  But the last two Debian meetups I hosted nobody
from this mailing list showed up.  So we are talking about an empty audience.  And worse: during the events, nobody was using Debian in their laptops (me included).</div><div><br></div><div>And everything is definitely mobile nowadays.  Telegram isn&#
39;t an attempt to hijack this mailing list or any other communication media, but to increase the possibilities.  Even for newcomers.</div><div><br></div><div>BTW I use the free software client named &quot;plus&quot; to access Telegram.</div><div><br
clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Best Regards,<br>Helio Loureiro<br><a href="http://helio.loureiro.eng.br/" target="_blank">http://helio.loureiro.eng.br</a><br><a href="http://br.
linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro" target="_blank">http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro</a><br><a href="http://twitter.com/helioloureiro" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/helioloureiro</a><br></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"

<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:15 PM Otto Kekäläinen &lt;<a href="mailto:otto@debian.org">otto@debian.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(

204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I agree that we should encourage a true open source alternative like Mattermost or Matrix.org or Zulip instead.<div dir="auto"><br></div></div>
</blockquote></div>

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Reply only to lists: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

Quoting Helio Loureiro (2019-06-27 10:50:54)

As much as I love free software, I also need to consider how to make
things more active.

We can have IRC, Matrix, Mastodon, Diaspora, etc. But the last two
Debian meetups I hosted nobody from this mailing list showed up. So
we are talking about an empty audience. And worse: during the events, nobody was using Debian in their laptops (me included).

If the kind of meetings you host are ones where non-Debian-users attend,
then perhaps it makes better sense to call them something else than
"Debian meetups".

And everything is definitely mobile nowadays. Telegram isn't an
attempt to hijack this mailing list or any other communication media,
but to increase the possibilities. Even for newcomers.

Mobile is definitely a thing nowadays, but certainly not the only one.

Nice that you mention here that other user channels exist.

BTW I use the free software client named "plus" to access Telegram.

Nice. Even nicer if free software with a homepage and usable on
mainline linux - and if not already packaged in Debian then had an RFP
or ITP bureport filed - see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l1


Good luck with that Telegram channel,

- Jonas

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Hi,

On 2019-06-27 12:00, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:

Reply only to lists: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

Quoting Helio Loureiro (2019-06-27 10:50:54)

As much as I love free software, I also need to consider how to make
things more active.

We can have IRC, Matrix, Mastodon, Diaspora, etc. But the last two
Debian meetups I hosted nobody from this mailing list showed up. So
we are talking about an empty audience. And worse: during the events,
nobody was using Debian in their laptops (me included).

If the kind of meetings you host are ones where non-Debian-users attend,
then perhaps it makes better sense to call them something else than
"Debian meetups".

Most effective way I learnt is to test out different descriptions and approaches. One could call them Debian Meetups, or something else (Debian-related of your choice) and announce them on all channels,
including mailing list, bring a Debian laptop and make the different conversation topics Debian-related. If I could I would have attended,
and probably wanted to switch to Debian in time for those meetups. Maybe starting a Debian association in Sweden would gauge and grow interest?

And everything is definitely mobile nowadays. Telegram isn't an
attempt to hijack this mailing list or any other communication media,
but to increase the possibilities. Even for newcomers.

Mobile is definitely a thing nowadays, but certainly not the only one.

Nice that you mention here that other user channels exist.

I say "yes and", and I'm for announcing on non-free channels and guide
people to free channels. Please continue to use all channels, and great
if more people find the mailing list.

BTW I use the free software client named "plus" to access Telegram.

Nice. Even nicer if free software with a homepage and usable on
mainline linux - and if not already packaged in Debian then had an RFP
or ITP bureport filed - see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l1

Good luck with that Telegram channel,

- Jonas

Good luck with all channels! ;)

/Mattias

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