Hi,

Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

(Cc'ing me is okay)

I'm considering updating the «jewel in the crown» of Debian, which is of course the Installation Guide, a must for new users and also the older ones.

But first I'd like to know what the workflow would be for the job to be done, considering I'm used to PO files and not XML based translations. Also, what's
lacking and what needs to be done (percentage of missing translations, fuzzy strings and so on).

Looking at the Salsa GIT server¹ I can't figure out where theses files
are located for the Spanish language², so any hint on how to get the job done
would be appreciated.

¹ <https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/installation-guide/-/tree/master/po/es>
² https://d-i.debian.org/manual/es.amd64/index.html

Hmm, you already found the correct git repository at Salsa, and you also found the directory ../po/es where the spanish po files are (above at ¹).
So, I'm unsure what you want me to do.

If you are used to git, you can clone the repository with
"git clone https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/installation-guide.git"
to get the whole tree, or download only the po files via the web-frontend.

You can sent the translated files via a bugreport or to debian-boot list,
as you already did last week. (That changings from last week can already be seen at https://d-i.debian.org/manual/es.amd64/index.html)

Statistics for the installation-guide can be found at https://d-i.debian.org/manual/
at the bottom of the page.


Best regards
Holger


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Hello,

(Cc'ing me is okay)

I'm considering updating the «jewel in the crown» of Debian, which is of course the Installation Guide, a must for new users and also the older ones.

But first I'd like to know what the workflow would be for the job to be
done, considering I'm used to PO files and not XML based translations. Also, what's
lacking and what needs to be done (percentage of missing translations, fuzzy strings and so on).

Looking at the Salsa GIT server¹ I can't figure out where theses files
are located for the Spanish language², so any hint on how to get the job done would be appreciated.

¹ <https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/installation-guide/-/tree/master/po/es>
² https://d-i.debian.org/manual/es.amd64/index.html

Cheers,

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Camaleón

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On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 20:36, Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm considering updating the «jewel in the crown» of Debian, which is of course the Installation Guide, a must for new users and also the older
ones.

Thank you for wanting to help in this translation. In the past I
contributed huge chunks of time to it but have not been able to keep up.

But first I'd like to know what the workflow would be for the job to be
done, considering I'm used to PO files and not XML based translations.
Also, what's
lacking and what needs to be done (percentage of missing translations,
fuzzy strings and so on).

Updating the Installation Guide is pretty straightforward, you first have
to download the GIT repository and the go directly to the po/es/ directory. Updating the different translation files you find there. The fact that the document is based on XML should not be a problem.

To test the translation you can build the documentation using the scripts
in the build/ directory (by setting the "languages" variable you can make
the scripts build only the content in Spanish and skip the other languages.

If you do not have (yet) access you can send me the PO files and I will
upload to Salsa.

Best regards

Javier

<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 20:36, Camaleón &lt;<a href="mailto:noelamac@gmail.com">noelamac@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote: </div></div></div>
</div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

I&#39;m considering updating the «jewel in the crown» of Debian, which is of <br>
course the Installation Guide, a must for new users and also the older ones.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thank you for wanting to help in this translation. In the past I contributed huge chunks of time to it but have not been able to keep up. </

<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

But first I&#39;d like to know what the workflow would be for the job to be <br>
done, considering I&#39;m used to PO files and not XML based translations. Also, what&#39;s <br>
lacking and what needs to be done (percentage of missing translations, fuzzy strings and so on).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Updating the Installation Guide is pretty straightforward, you first have to download the GIT repository and the go
directly to the po/es/ directory. Updating the different translation files you find there. The fact that the document is based on XML should not be a problem.</div><div><br></div><div>To test the translation you can build the documentation using the
scripts in the build/ directory (by setting the &quot;languages&quot; variable you can make the scripts build only the content in Spanish and skip the other languages.</div><div><br></div><div> If you do not have (yet) access you can send me the PO
files and I will upload to Salsa.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards</div><div><br></div><div>Javier</div></div></div>

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El 2020-05-14 a las 22:23 +0200, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino escribió:

On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 20:36, Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm considering updating the «jewel in the crown» of Debian, which is of course the Installation Guide, a must for new users and also the older ones.

Thank you for wanting to help in this translation. In the past I
contributed huge chunks of time to it but have not been able to keep up.

Yes, and what an splendid work you all did! It's a pity the manual is
outdated, because of its high quality (it's a pleasure read it in
a good/real Spanish -not automated translation-), technicality (as it
covers many of not so common aspects and particularities of Debian) and usefulness.

But first I'd like to know what the workflow would be for the job to be done, considering I'm used to PO files and not XML based translations. Also, what's
lacking and what needs to be done (percentage of missing translations, fuzzy strings and so on).

Updating the Installation Guide is pretty straightforward, you first have
to download the GIT repository and the go directly to the po/es/ directory. Updating the different translation files you find there. The fact that the document is based on XML should not be a problem.

To test the translation you can build the documentation using the scripts
in the build/ directory (by setting the "languages" variable you can make
the scripts build only the content in Spanish and skip the other languages.

If you do not have (yet) access you can send me the PO files and I will upload to Salsa.

Okay, Javier, thank you.

Sending the translated PO files to BTS seems to be doing the job.

Cheers,

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El 2020-05-14 a las 21:05 +0200, Holger Wansing escribió:

Hi,

Camaleón <noelamac@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

(Cc'ing me is okay)

I'm considering updating the «jewel in the crown» of Debian, which is of course the Installation Guide, a must for new users and also the older ones.

(...)

¹ <https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/installation-guide/-/tree/master/po/es>
² https://d-i.debian.org/manual/es.amd64/index.html

Hmm, you already found the correct git repository at Salsa, and you also found
the directory ../po/es where the spanish po files are (above at ¹).
So, I'm unsure what you want me to do.

(...)

:-)

I'm currently updating the PO files placed under $SALSA/.../po/es,
and figured out (with your valuable help) how to file a proper bug report
and how to deal (aka, do not disturb) with the mailing list
«robomonitor» routine so the files can be pulled up/committed or whatever it is called now.

That's no problem.

The fact is that your answer makes me think I'm missing the point that
these PO files are indeed the Installation Guide manual itself. Is that
right? I always (maybe wrongly) thought installation-guide PO files were intended for
Debian installer screen¹ and Installation Guide manual was a separate
set of XML based files, ending up in our beloved online manual².

¹ <https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/images.tr/inst-lang-txt.png>
² https://d-i.debian.org/manual/es.amd64/index.html

Statistics for the installation-guide can be found at https://d-i.debian.org/manual/
at the bottom of the page.

Yes, thanks, I already used that page to know about the status of the translations. I was just confused by the nomenclature in there, I
mean, I thought PO-based translations (Spanish is at 89%) were different from XML-based translations (no stats at all, so... nobody's using XML format?).

If you say keeping PO files updated is all what we need to keep the Installation Guide XML synced and up-to-date, I'll just keep my current
work on these files.

Thanks!

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Camaleón

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On Vi, 15 mai 20, 09:28:32, Camaleón wrote:

The fact is that your answer makes me think I'm missing the point that
these PO files are indeed the Installation Guide manual itself. Is that right? I always (maybe wrongly) thought installation-guide PO files were intended for
Debian installer screen¹ and Installation Guide manual was a separate
set of XML based files, ending up in our beloved online manual².

¹ <https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/images.tr/inst-lang-txt.png>
² https://d-i.debian.org/manual/es.amd64/index.html

The strings shown during the installation are here

https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/d-i/-/tree/master/packages/po


Spanish looks pretty good:

$ find d-i/packages/po/sublevel?/ -name es.po -print -exec msgfmt --statistics {} \;
d-i/packages/po/sublevel1/es.po
458 mesaje traduse, 25 traduceri aproximative(fuzzy), 2 mesaje netraduse. d-i/packages/po/sublevel2/es.po
516 mesaje traduse, 30 traduceri aproximative(fuzzy), 4 mesaje netraduse. d-i/packages/po/sublevel3/es.po
705 mesaje traduse, 14 traduceri aproximative(fuzzy). d-i/packages/po/sublevel4/es.po
66 mesaje traduse.
d-i/packages/po/sublevel5/es.po
52 mesaje traduse.


Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 09:28:32 +0200
Camaleón wrote:

Statistics for the installation-guide can be found at https://d-i.debian.org/manual/
at the bottom of the page.

Yes, thanks, I already used that page to know about the status of the translations. I was just confused by the nomenclature in there, I
mean, I thought PO-based translations (Spanish is at 89%) were different from XML-based translations (no stats at all, so... nobody's using XML format?). If you say keeping PO files updated is all what we need to keep the Installation Guide XML synced and up-to-date, I'll just keep my current
work on these files.

till some years ago some langs directory edited the xml files
and didn't use po infrastructure;
now all langs use po and "XML-based translations" can be removed

"nobody's using XML format" is not correct;
the machine converts xml <=> po and translators can use its benefit

for more information, see scripts/* in the repository


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no need to CC me :-)

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El 2020-05-15 a las 13:43 +0300, Andrei POPESCU escribió:

On Vi, 15 mai 20, 09:28:32, Camaleón wrote:

The fact is that your answer makes me think I'm missing the point that these PO files are indeed the Installation Guide manual itself. Is that right? I always (maybe wrongly) thought installation-guide PO files were intended for
Debian installer screen¹ and Installation Guide manual was a separate
set of XML based files, ending up in our beloved online manual².

¹ <https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/images.tr/inst-lang-txt.png>
² https://d-i.debian.org/manual/es.amd64/index.html

The strings shown during the installation are here

https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/d-i/-/tree/master/packages/po

Fine. Mystery solved! (and link bookmarked).

At the end I was working on files I wanted to translate being unaware they were the ones I looked for :-)

Spanish looks pretty good:

$ find d-i/packages/po/sublevel?/ -name es.po -print -exec msgfmt --statistics {} \;
d-i/packages/po/sublevel1/es.po
458 mesaje traduse, 25 traduceri aproximative(fuzzy), 2 mesaje netraduse. d-i/packages/po/sublevel2/es.po
516 mesaje traduse, 30 traduceri aproximative(fuzzy), 4 mesaje netraduse. d-i/packages/po/sublevel3/es.po
705 mesaje traduse, 14 traduceri aproximative(fuzzy). d-i/packages/po/sublevel4/es.po
66 mesaje traduse.
d-i/packages/po/sublevel5/es.po
52 mesaje traduse.

Thanks, Andrei.

For now I will focus on the Installation Guide PO files, which are
pretty outdated, and keep these files untouched.

Cheers,

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Hi,

victory <victory.deb@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 15 May 2020 09:28:32 +0200
Camaleón wrote:

Statistics for the installation-guide can be found at https://d-i.debian.org/manual/
at the bottom of the page.

Yes, thanks, I already used that page to know about the status of the translations. I was just confused by the nomenclature in there, I
mean, I thought PO-based translations (Spanish is at 89%) were different from
XML-based translations (no stats at all, so... nobody's using XML format?). If you say keeping PO files updated is all what we need to keep the Installation Guide XML synced and up-to-date, I'll just keep my current work on these files.

till some years ago some langs directory edited the xml files
and didn't use po infrastructure;
now all langs use po and "XML-based translations" can be removed

I have removed that part now, should be online after the next run of the webpage build. Thanks for the reminder!

"nobody's using XML format" is not correct;
the machine converts xml <=> po and translators can use its benefit

Holger

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El vie., 15 may. 2020 12:43, Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> escribió:

The strings shown during the installation are here

https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/d-i/-/tree/master/packages/po

Spanish looks pretty good:

Yep, that is because I maintain the translation and update when we are
close to a release.

I do not see much value in updating the d-i strings during development as
in the past there were many/frequent changes. I typically wait until we go into deep-freeze before an update.

Best regards

Javier

<div dir="auto"><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El vie., 15 may. 2020 12:43, Andrei POPESCU &lt;<a href="mailto:andreimpopescu@gmail.com">andreimpopescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;
escribió:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

The strings shown during the installation are here<br>

<a href="https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/d-i/-/tree/master/packages/po" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/d-i/-/tree/master/packages/po</a><br>


Spanish looks pretty good:<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yep, that is because I maintain the translation and update when we are close to a release.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="
auto">I do not see much value in updating the d-i strings during development as in the past there were  many/frequent changes. I typically wait until we go into deep-freeze before an update.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards</

<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Javier</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div>

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