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From Thomas Vincent@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 9 00:50:01 2020

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Hi!

Le 04/06/2020 à 13:23, s3v a écrit :

What is the current status of the ongoing
transition?

The current status is: needing motivation. :)

Following the announcement in March that the migration was in progress
and required some validation before we could make it official, it was
found that new translations could be broken by an encoding issue.
Fixing this issue led to another one and I think Andrey managed to have everything solved by the middle of April.

In the meantime, Beatrice added a warning on ddtp.d.o pages to state
that it was still a testing instance and that all work done may be lost,
but some contributors continued to provide translations (maybe they did
not see the warning) and I did not want to have them loose more than one
month of work, so the goal then became to fix all broken translations,
and we're still at that step, unfortunately. :(

So, to sum up:
- ddtp.d.o seems to be working fine now and all translations done on it
will be kept
- translations accepted between roughly mid-march and mid-april may
contain badly encoded accented characters, they all need to be
reviewed and fixed (probably manually)
- we won't ask ftp masters to retrieve the new state of the translations
until all those translations have been checked

I can't give you an estimate of when it will be done, we don't even know
how many translations are affected.

I can help somehow to move forward and fix
remaining issues?

Well, first, thanks for the ping and the help offer! :)

If you know perl/postgresql, you can come talk with us on #ddtp on IRC.
If you don't, you can still come talk with us on #ddtp on IRC. :D

Thanks a lot for taking care of this job.

:)

Kind regards,
Thomas

Kind Regards

-------- Messaggio originale --------
Oggetto: ddtp2.d.n down again but that's ok!
Da: Thomas Vincent
A: Debian I18n ,Debian L10N Development
CC:

Hello all,

We were planning to send you a message tonight announcing that we would
be migrating the DDTSS service next weekend, with a proper timeline,
etc. but ddtp2.d.n tried to catch us by surprise and went down again.

Luckily, I have retrieved the last available version of the database
backup yesterday evening, so that means that at worst we don't have the
last day of contributions on DDTSS (I don't know at what time DB daily
backups are prepared).

So, what I propose to you instead is that we start the migration process
tonight and let you know when ddtp.d.o is ready to be used (hopefully
tomorrow morning).

Cheers,
Thomas

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From Beatrice Torracca@21:1/5 to Thomas Vincent on Tue Jun 9 13:20:01 2020

On marted� 09 giugno 2020, at 00:47 +0200, Thomas Vincent wrote:

Hi!

The current status is: needing motivation. :)

That is understandable... we are all volunteers

In the meantime, Beatrice added a warning on ddtp.d.o pages to state
that it was still a testing instance and that all work done may be lost,
but some contributors continued to provide translations (maybe they did
not see the warning) and I did not want to have them loose more than one month of work, so the goal then became to fix all broken translations,
and we're still at that step, unfortunately. :(

Maybe (next time) it would be enough to comunicate this kind of
decision on the list (unless I missed it, and I apologize if I
did). We (Italian team) followed rules and missed a lot of months of work.

I imagine I should change the warning then. Any suggestion?

So, to sum up:
- ddtp.d.o seems to be working fine now and all translations done on it
will be kept
- translations accepted between roughly mid-march and mid-april may
contain badly encoded accented characters, they all need to be
reviewed and fixed (probably manually)

Is there an (easy) way for you to have a list of them? Not the wrong
ones, all the translations accepted in that problematic time
interval. Each language could review their own translations. I surely
can do it for Italian, maybe other languages too.

I can help somehow to move forward and fix
remaining issues?

Well, first, thanks for the ping and the help offer! :)

Yes, thanks a lot to s3v for the ping. I planned to do it for a long
time and never did. I apologize with the Italian team for that. I
stalled their work long enough.

Thanks a lot� for taking care of this job.

+1 Thanks a lot for the work on this. It is indeed much appreciated.

beatrice

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From Thomas Vincent@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 10 01:50:02 2020

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Hi,

Le 09/06/2020 � 13:06, Beatrice Torracca a �crit�:

On marted� 09 giugno 2020, at 00:47 +0200, Thomas Vincent wrote:

In the meantime, Beatrice added a warning on ddtp.d.o pages to state
that it was still a testing instance and that all work done may be lost,
but some contributors continued to provide translations (maybe they did
not see the warning) and I did not want to have them loose more than one
month of work, so the goal then became to fix all broken translations,
and we're still at that step, unfortunately. :(

Maybe (next time) it would be enough to comunicate this kind of
decision on the list (unless I missed it, and I apologize if I
did). We (Italian team) followed rules and missed a lot of months of work.

Yes indeed. I know how such long breaks can be demotivating.

I imagine I should change the warning then. Any suggestion?

Simply remove it?

So, to sum up:
- ddtp.d.o seems to be working fine now and all translations done on it
will be kept
- translations accepted between roughly mid-march and mid-april may
contain badly encoded accented characters, they all need to be
reviewed and fixed (probably manually)

Is there an (easy) way for you to have a list of them? Not the wrong
ones, all the translations accepted in that problematic time
interval. Each language could review their own translations. I surely
can do it for Italian, maybe other languages too.

I retrieved a list of all translations accepted between March 1st and
April 15th here: https://storm.debian.net/grain/JxKdTRSxGHkBwz4Xzzc9Ew

Andrey and I have started to review all of them and we're reopening translations for review when we find encoding issues.

I can help somehow to move forward and fix
remaining issues?

Well, first, thanks for the ping and the help offer! :)

Yes, thanks a lot to s3v for the ping. I planned to do it for a long
time and never did. I apologize with the Italian team for that. I
stalled their work long enough.

Thanks a lot� for taking care of this job.

+1 Thanks a lot for the work on this. It is indeed much appreciated.

Thanks for the thanks. :)

Thomas

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From Thomas Vincent@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 10 21:10:01 2020

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Hi,

Le 10/06/2020 à 06:04, Beatrice Torracca a écrit :

I dont have permissions to see the grain. I am not a DM. I would gladly help with the review, if there's a way. Maybe send me a hard copy and I
can work from the bottom up? or any other way you might think, if it can
be useful and not one more hindrance.

I'm really sorry, I sent the wrong link. Here is a correct one: https://storm.debian.net/shared/hD6Wh9itnIsQtrSJIg-T-uKi6tonzgkKdGWJZliYmdH

Thomas

good day,

beatrice

Ps. writing from phone.

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From Joe Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 13 21:20:01 2020

Hi have we lost the functionality where the old translations was shown in the bottom?
if yes, that is a serious setback.

and is
https://ddtp.debian.org/

the new official place to make translations?
bye

Joe Den onsdag den 10. juni 2020 01.48.20 CEST skrev Thomas Vincent <thomas@vinc-net.fr>:

Hi,

Le 09/06/2020 à 13:06, Beatrice Torracca a écrit :

On martedì 09 giugno 2020, at 00:47 +0200, Thomas Vincent wrote:

In the meantime, Beatrice added a warning on ddtp.d.o pages to state
that it was still a testing instance and that all work done may be lost,
but some contributors continued to provide translations (maybe they did
not see the warning) and I did not want to have them loose more than one
month of work, so the goal then became to fix all broken translations,
and we're still at that step, unfortunately. :(

Maybe (next time) it would be enough to comunicate this kind of
decision on the list (unless I missed it, and I apologize if I
did). We (Italian team) followed rules and missed a lot of months of work.

Yes indeed. I know how such long breaks can be demotivating.

I imagine I should change the warning then. Any suggestion?

Simply remove it?

So, to sum up:
- ddtp.d.o seems to be working fine now and all translations done on it
will be kept
- translations accepted between roughly mid-march and mid-april may
contain badly encoded accented characters, they all need to be
reviewed and fixed (probably manually)

Is there an (easy) way for you to have a list of them? Not the wrong
ones, all the translations accepted in that problematic time
interval. Each language could review their own translations. I surely
can do it for Italian, maybe other languages too.

I retrieved a list of all translations accepted between March 1st and
April 15th here: https://storm.debian.net/grain/JxKdTRSxGHkBwz4Xzzc9Ew

Andrey and I have started to review all of them and we're reopening translations for review when we find encoding issues.

I can help somehow to move forward and fix
remaining issues?

Well, first, thanks for the ping and the help offer! :)

Yes, thanks a lot to s3v for the ping. I planned to do it for a long
time and never did. I apologize with the Italian team for that. I
stalled their work long enough.

Thanks a lot for taking care of this job.

+1 Thanks a lot for the work on this. It is indeed much appreciated.

Thanks for the thanks. :)

Thomas

<div> Hi have we lost the functionality where the old translations was shown in the bottom? if yes, that is a serious setback. and is https://ddtp.debian.org/ the new official place to make translations? bye 
Joe </div> <div class="yahoo_quoted" style="margin:10px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #ccc;padding-left:1ex;"> <div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#
26282a;"> <div> Den onsdag den 10. juni 2020 01.48.20 CEST skrev Thomas Vincent <thomas@vinc-net.fr>: </div> <div> </div> <div> </div>
<div><div dir="ltr">Hi, Le 09/06/2020 à 13:06, Beatrice Torracca a écrit : > On martedì 09 giugno 2020, at 00:47 +0200, Thomas Vincent wrote: > >> In
the meantime, Beatrice added a warning on ddtp.d.o pages to state >> that it was still a testing instance and that all work done may be lost, >> but some contributors continued to provide translations (maybe
they did >> not see the warning) and I did not want to have them loose more than one >> month of work, so the goal then became to fix all broken translations, >> and we're still at that
step, unfortunately. :( > > Maybe (next time) it would be enough to comunicate this kind of > decision on the list (unless I missed it, and I apologize if I > did). We (Italian
team) followed rules and missed a lot of months of work. Yes indeed. I know how such long breaks can be demotivating. > > I imagine I should change the warning then.
Any suggestion? Simply remove it? > >> So, to sum up: >> - ddtp.d.o seems to be working fine now and all translations done on it >>  will be kept >> - translations accepted between roughly mid-march and mid-april may >>  contain badly encoded accented characters, they all need to be >> 
reviewed and fixed (probably manually) > > Is there an (easy) way for you to have a list of them? Not the wrong > ones, all the translations accepted in that problematic time >
interval. Each language could review their own translations. I surely > can do it for Italian, maybe other languages too. I retrieved a list of all translations accepted between March 1st and April 15th here: <a shape="rect" href="https://storm.debian.net/grain/JxKdTRSxGHkBwz4Xzzc9Ew" target="_blank">https://storm.debian.net/grain/JxKdTRSxGHkBwz4Xzzc9Ew</a> Andrey and I have started to review all of them
and we're reopening translations for review when we find encoding issues. > >>> I can help somehow to move forward and fix >>> remaining issues? >> >> Well, first, thanks for the ping and the help offer! :) > > Yes, thanks a lot to s3v for the ping. I planned to do it for a long > time and never did.
I apologize with the Italian team for that. I > stalled their work long enough. > >>> Thanks a lot  for taking care of this job. > > +1 Thanks a
lot for the work on this. It is indeed much appreciated. Thanks for the thanks. :)<div class="yqt1547452285" id="yqtfd35996"> Thomas </div></div></div> </div>
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From Daniele Forsi@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 13 22:20:01 2020

Il giorno mer 10 giu 2020 alle ore 01:48 Thomas Vincent ha scritto:

Andrey and I have started to review all of them and we're reopening translations for review when we find encoding issues.

How do you find those with encoding issues?
Do you have a way to fix them automatically?

I think you can fix them using iconv, for example from the terminal,
this fixes the "è" and the "ù":

wget "https://ddtp.debian.org/ddt.cgi?language=it&desc_id=273173" --output-document=273173.orig
iconv -f utf-8 -t latin1 273173.orig --output=273173.txt

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Hi Joe,

Le 13/06/2020 à 21:18, Joe Dalton a écrit :

Hi have we lost the functionality where the old translations was shown
in the bottom?

Thanks for the report!
Do you have an example of this?

The translation/review page is probably looking for the former
translation/diff at the wrong location (for instance, on ddtp2.debian.net).
We are currently looking into this issue and may have fixed some of its occurrences thanks to the patch provided by s3v.

Best regards,
Thomas

if yes, that is a serious setback.

and is
https://ddtp.debian.org/

the new official place to make translations?
bye

Joe
Den onsdag den 10. juni 2020 01.48.20 CEST skrev Thomas Vincent <thomas@vinc-net.fr>:

Hi,

Le 09/06/2020 à 13:06, Beatrice Torracca a écrit :

On martedì 09 giugno 2020, at 00:47 +0200, Thomas Vincent wrote:

In the meantime, Beatrice added a warning on ddtp.d.o pages to state
that it was still a testing instance and that all work done may be lost, >>> but some contributors continued to provide translations (maybe they did
not see the warning) and I did not want to have them loose more than one >>> month of work, so the goal then became to fix all broken translations,
and we're still at that step, unfortunately. :(

Maybe (next time) it would be enough to comunicate this kind of
decision on the list (unless I missed it, and I apologize if I
did). We (Italian team) followed rules and missed a lot of months of work.

Yes indeed. I know how such long breaks can be demotivating.

I imagine I should change the warning then. Any suggestion?

Simply remove it?

So, to sum up:
- ddtp.d.o seems to be working fine now and all translations done on it >>> will be kept
- translations accepted between roughly mid-march and mid-april may
contain badly encoded accented characters, they all need to be
reviewed and fixed (probably manually)

Is there an (easy) way for you to have a list of them? Not the wrong
ones, all the translations accepted in that problematic time
interval. Each language could review their own translations. I surely
can do it for Italian, maybe other languages too.

I retrieved a list of all translations accepted between March 1st and
April 15th here: https://storm.debian.net/grain/JxKdTRSxGHkBwz4Xzzc9Ew

Andrey and I have started to review all of them and we're reopening translations for review when we find encoding issues.

I can help somehow to move forward and fix
remaining issues?

Well, first, thanks for the ping and the help offer! :)

Yes, thanks a lot to s3v for the ping. I planned to do it for a long
time and never did. I apologize with the Italian team for that. I
stalled their work long enough.

Thanks a lot for taking care of this job.

+1 Thanks a lot for the work on this. It is indeed much appreciated.

Thanks for the thanks. :)

Thomas

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Hi Daniele,

Le 13/06/2020 à 22:14, Daniele Forsi a écrit :

Il giorno mer 10 giu 2020 alle ore 01:48 Thomas Vincent ha scritto:

Andrey and I have started to review all of them and we're reopening
translations for review when we find encoding issues.

How do you find those with encoding issues?

I just read the descriptions, but I know that Andrey and s3v used
scripts to automatically detect errors.

Do you have a way to fix them automatically?

In most languages affected, a manual correction is enough, given the low
number of packages affected.
In Italian, all the translations we fetched seem to be already in
review, so I assume you found an efficient way to deal with them. :)

I think you can fix them using iconv, for example from the terminal,
this fixes the "è" and the "ù":

wget "https://ddtp.debian.org/ddt.cgi?language=it&desc_id=273173" --output-document=273173.orig
iconv -f utf-8 -t latin1 273173.orig --output=273173.txt

That's super useful, thanks!

Thomas

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From Joe Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 21 13:40:03 2020

Hi Thomas, I can confirm that the issue is now solved. I have the old translation now.
thanks
Joe

Den søndag den 14. juni 2020 19.10.20 CEST skrev Thomas Vincent <thomas@vinc-net.fr>:

Hi Joe,

Le 13/06/2020 à 21:18, Joe Dalton a écrit :

Hi have we lost the functionality where the old translations was shown
in the bottom?

Thanks for the report!
Do you have an example of this?

The translation/review page is probably looking for the former
translation/diff at the wrong location (for instance, on ddtp2.debian.net).
We are currently looking into this issue and may have fixed some of its occurrences thanks to the patch provided by s3v.

Best regards,
Thomas

if yes, that is a serious setback.

and is
https://ddtp.debian.org/

the new official place to make translations?
bye

Joe
Den onsdag den 10. juni 2020 01.48.20 CEST skrev Thomas Vincent <thomas@vinc-net.fr>:

Hi,

Le 09/06/2020 à 13:06, Beatrice Torracca a écrit :

On martedì 09 giugno 2020, at 00:47 +0200, Thomas Vincent wrote:

In the meantime, Beatrice added a warning on ddtp.d.o pages to state
that it was still a testing instance and that all work done may be lost, >>> but some contributors continued to provide translations (maybe they did
not see the warning) and I did not want to have them loose more than one >>> month of work, so the goal then became to fix all broken translations,
and we're still at that step, unfortunately. :(

Maybe (next time) it would be enough to comunicate this kind of
decision on the list (unless I missed it, and I apologize if I
did). We (Italian team) followed rules and missed a lot of months of work.

Yes indeed. I know how such long breaks can be demotivating.

I imagine I should change the warning then. Any suggestion?

Simply remove it?

So, to sum up:
- ddtp.d.o seems to be working fine now and all translations done on it >>> will be kept
- translations accepted between roughly mid-march and mid-april may
contain badly encoded accented characters, they all need to be
reviewed and fixed (probably manually)

Is there an (easy) way for you to have a list of them? Not the wrong
ones, all the translations accepted in that problematic time
interval. Each language could review their own translations. I surely
can do it for Italian, maybe other languages too.

I retrieved a list of all translations accepted between March 1st and
April 15th here: https://storm.debian.net/grain/JxKdTRSxGHkBwz4Xzzc9Ew

Andrey and I have started to review all of them and we're reopening translations for review when we find encoding issues.

I can help somehow to move forward and fix
remaining issues?

Well, first, thanks for the ping and the help offer! :)

Yes, thanks a lot to s3v for the ping. I planned to do it for a long
time and never did. I apologize with the Italian team for that. I
stalled their work long enough.

Thanks a lot for taking care of this job.

+1 Thanks a lot for the work on this. It is indeed much appreciated.

Thanks for the thanks. :)

Thomas

<div> Hi Thomas, I can confirm that the issue is now solved. I have the old translation now. thanks Joe </div> <div class="yahoo_quoted" style="margin:10px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #
ccc;padding-left:1ex;"> <div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;"> <div> Den søndag den 14. juni 2020 19.10.20 CEST
skrev Thomas Vincent <thomas@vinc-net.fr>: </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div><div dir="ltr">Hi Joe, Le 13/06/2020 à 21:18, Joe Dalton a écrit&
nbsp;: > Hi have we lost the functionality where the old translations was shown > in the bottom? Thanks for the report! Do you have an example of this? 
 The translation/review page is probably looking for the former translation/diff at the wrong location (for instance, on ddtp2.debian.net). We are currently looking into this issue and may have fixed some
of its occurrences thanks to the patch provided by s3v. Best regards, Thomas<div class="yqt8596575413" id="yqtfd96250"> > if yes, that is a serious
setback. > > and is > <a shape="rect" href="https://ddtp.debian.org/" target="_blank">https://ddtp.debian.org/</a> > > the new official place to make
translations? > bye > > Joe > Den onsdag den 10. juni 2020 01.48.20 CEST skrev Thomas Vincent > <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:thomas@vinc-net.fr" href="
mailto:thomas@vinc-net.fr">thomas@vinc-net.fr</a>>: > > > Hi, > > Le 09/06/2020 à 13:06, Beatrice Torracca a écrit : >> On
martedì 09 giugno 2020, at 00:47 +0200, Thomas Vincent wrote: >> >>> In the meantime, Beatrice added a warning on ddtp.d.o pages to state >>> that it was still a testing instance
and that all work done may be lost, >>> but some contributors continued to provide translations (maybe they did >>> not see the warning) and I did not want to have them loose more than one 
>>> month of work, so the goal then became to fix all broken translations, >>> and we're still at that step, unfortunately. :( >> >> Maybe (next time) it would be enough to
comunicate this kind of >> decision on the list (unless I missed it, and I apologize if I >> did). We (Italian team) followed rules and missed a lot of months of work. > >
Yes indeed. I know how such long breaks can be demotivating. > >> >> I imagine I should change the warning then. Any suggestion? > > Simply remove it? > >> >>> So, to sum up: >>> - ddtp.d.o seems to be working fine now and all translations done on it >>>  will be kept >> - translations accepted between roughly mid-march and mid-april may >>>  contain badly encoded accented characters, they all need to be >>>  reviewed and fixed (probably manually) >> >> Is there an (easy) way for you to have a list of them? Not the wrong >> ones, all the translations accepted in that problematic time >> interval. Each language
could review their own translations. I surely >> can do it for Italian, maybe other languages too. > > I retrieved a list of all translations accepted between March 1st and >
April 15th here: <a shape="rect" href="https://storm.debian.net/grain/JxKdTRSxGHkBwz4Xzzc9Ew" target="_blank">https://storm.debian.net/grain/JxKdTRSxGHkBwz4Xzzc9Ew</a> > > Andrey and I have started to review all of
them and we're reopening > translations for review when we find encoding issues. > >> >>>> I can help somehow to move forward and fix >>>>
remaining issues? >>> >>> Well, first, thanks for the ping and the help offer! :) >> >> Yes, thanks a lot to s3v for the ping. I planned to do it for a long >> time and never did. I apologize with the Italian team for that. I >> stalled their work long enough. >> >>>> Thanks a lot  for taking care of this job. >> >> +1 Thanks a lot for the work on this. It is indeed much appreciated. > > Thanks for the thanks. :) > > >
Thomas </div></div></div> </div> </div>

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From Beatrice Torracca@21:1/5 to Joe Dalton on Sun Jun 21 15:30:01 2020

Hi all,

indeed the diff frame is now back and working, but it seems to fetch the wrong old description sometimes.

For instance here
https://ddtp.debian.org/ddtss/index.cgi/it/forreview/bsdutils

it shows the diff with version 815 (very old) instead of 276327 which is the previous one, as one can see here:

https://ddtp.debian.org/ddt.cgi?desc_id=277359

Personally I have not pinpoint how/when this happens, maybe keep an
eye on the issue or investigate how the code decide what diff to show.

I am really happy to see the whole DDTSS system get back in track for good.

In the past days I checked the Etherpad with list of character-coding
affected description and I annotated all the fixed ones I found with a
"FIXED" at the end of the line. Italian is all fixed now, as most
other languages. As far as I can see there are less than an handful of
fr translations to fix and then everything should be without issues.

Thanks again a lot to all who worked on this,

beatrice

On domenica 21 giugno 2020, at 11:32 +0000, Joe Dalton wrote:

Hi Thomas, I can confirm that the issue is now solved. I have the old translation now.
thanks
Joe

Den s�ndag den 14. juni 2020 19.10.20 CEST skrev Thomas Vincent <thomas@vinc-net.fr>:

Hi Joe,

Le 13/06/2020 � 21:18, Joe Dalton a �crit�:

Hi have we lost the functionality where the old translations was shown
in the bottom?

Thanks for the report!
Do you have an example of this?

The translation/review page is probably looking for the former translation/diff at the wrong location (for instance, on ddtp2.debian.net). We are currently looking into this issue and may have fixed some of its occurrences thanks to the patch provided by s3v.

Best regards,
Thomas

if yes, that is a serious setback.

and is
https://ddtp.debian.org/

the new official place to make translations?
bye

Joe
Den onsdag den 10. juni 2020 01.48.20 CEST skrev Thomas Vincent <thomas@vinc-net.fr>:

Hi,

Le 09/06/2020 � 13:06, Beatrice Torracca a �crit�:

On marted� 09 giugno 2020, at 00:47 +0200, Thomas Vincent wrote:

In the meantime, Beatrice added a warning on ddtp.d.o pages to state
that it was still a testing instance and that all work done may be lost, >>> but some contributors continued to provide translations (maybe they did >>> not see the warning) and I did not want to have them loose more than one >>> month of work, so the goal then became to fix all broken translations, >>> and we're still at that step, unfortunately. :(

Maybe (next time) it would be enough to comunicate this kind of
decision on the list (unless I missed it, and I apologize if I
did). We (Italian team) followed rules and missed a lot of months of work.

Yes indeed. I know how such long breaks can be demotivating.

I imagine I should change the warning then. Any suggestion?

Simply remove it?

So, to sum up:
- ddtp.d.o seems to be working fine now and all translations done on it >>>� will be kept
- translations accepted between roughly mid-march and mid-april may
contain badly encoded accented characters, they all need to be
reviewed and fixed (probably manually)

Is there an (easy) way for you to have a list of them? Not the wrong
ones, all the translations accepted in that problematic time
interval. Each language could review their own translations. I surely
can do it for Italian, maybe other languages too.

I retrieved a list of all translations accepted between March 1st and
April 15th here: https://storm.debian.net/grain/JxKdTRSxGHkBwz4Xzzc9Ew

Andrey and I have started to review all of them and we're reopening translations for review when we find encoding issues.

I can help somehow to move forward and fix
remaining issues?

Well, first, thanks for the ping and the help offer! :)

Yes, thanks a lot to s3v for the ping. I planned to do it for a long
time and never did. I apologize with the Italian team for that. I
stalled their work long enough.

Thanks a lot� for taking care of this job.

+1 Thanks a lot for the work on this. It is indeed much appreciated.

Thanks for the thanks. :)

Thomas

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Hi !

Le 21/06/2020 � 15:20, Beatrice Torracca a �crit�:

indeed the diff frame is now back and working, but it seems to fetch the wrong old description sometimes.

For instance here https://ddtp.debian.org/ddtss/index.cgi/it/forreview/bsdutils

it shows the diff with version 815 (very old) instead of 276327 which is the previous one, as one can see here:

https://ddtp.debian.org/ddt.cgi?desc_id=277359

Personally I have not pinpoint how/when this happens, maybe keep an
eye on the issue or investigate how the code decide what diff to show.

s3v reported the issue earlier this week and we just updated trabaci
with a fix.

I re-fetched bsdutils in italian and the diff now looks ok. Please let
us know if you see other issues.

I am really happy to see the whole DDTSS system get back in track for good.

So are we!

In the past days I checked the Etherpad with list of character-coding affected description and I annotated all the fixed ones I found with a "FIXED" at the end of the line. Italian is all fixed now, as most
other languages. As far as I can see there are less than an handful of
fr translations to fix and then everything should be without issues.

Yes, some of the french translations got hit with an other encoding
issue, so it delayed a little their resolution. I believe that they are
now all fixed, I just need to double check them.

The next step is to get in touch with the ftp masters so they now
retrieve the translations from ddtp.d.o instead of ddtp2.d.n.
I'll post an update when we know more about this.

Thanks again a lot to all who worked on this,

Thank you and all the translators who helped us review 700+ descriptions
and fix all the broken ones. :)

Thomas

beatrice

On domenica 21 giugno 2020, at 11:32 +0000, Joe Dalton wrote:

Hi Thomas, I can confirm that the issue is now solved. I have the old translation now.
thanks
Joe

Den s�ndag den 14. juni 2020 19.10.20 CEST skrev Thomas Vincent <thomas@vinc-net.fr>:

Hi Joe,

Le 13/06/2020 � 21:18, Joe Dalton a �crit�:

Hi have we lost the functionality where the old translations was shown
in the bottom?

Thanks for the report!
Do you have an example of this?

The translation/review page is probably looking for the former
translation/diff at the wrong location (for instance, on ddtp2.debian.net). >> We are currently looking into this issue and may have fixed some of its
occurrences thanks to the patch provided by s3v.

Best regards,
Thomas

if yes, that is a serious setback.

and is
https://ddtp.debian.org/

the new official place to make translations?
bye

Joe
Den onsdag den 10. juni 2020 01.48.20 CEST skrev Thomas Vincent
<thomas@vinc-net.fr>:

Hi,

Le 09/06/2020 � 13:06, Beatrice Torracca a �crit�:

On marted� 09 giugno 2020, at 00:47 +0200, Thomas Vincent wrote:

In the meantime, Beatrice added a warning on ddtp.d.o pages to state >>>>> that it was still a testing instance and that all work done may be lost, >>>>> but some contributors continued to provide translations (maybe they did >>>>> not see the warning) and I did not want to have them loose more than one >>>>> month of work, so the goal then became to fix all broken translations, >>>>> and we're still at that step, unfortunately. :(

Maybe (next time) it would be enough to comunicate this kind of
decision on the list (unless I missed it, and I apologize if I
did). We (Italian team) followed rules and missed a lot of months of work. >>>

Yes indeed. I know how such long breaks can be demotivating.

I imagine I should change the warning then. Any suggestion?

Simply remove it?

So, to sum up:
- ddtp.d.o seems to be working fine now and all translations done on it >>>>> � will be kept
- translations accepted between roughly mid-march and mid-april may
� contain badly encoded accented characters, they all need to be
� reviewed and fixed (probably manually)

Is there an (easy) way for you to have a list of them? Not the wrong
ones, all the translations accepted in that problematic time
interval. Each language could review their own translations. I surely
can do it for Italian, maybe other languages too.

I retrieved a list of all translations accepted between March 1st and
April 15th here: https://storm.debian.net/grain/JxKdTRSxGHkBwz4Xzzc9Ew

Andrey and I have started to review all of them and we're reopening
translations for review when we find encoding issues.

I can help somehow to move forward and fix
remaining issues?

Well, first, thanks for the ping and the help offer! :)

Yes, thanks a lot to s3v for the ping. I planned to do it for a long
time and never did. I apologize with the Italian team for that. I
stalled their work long enough.

Thanks a lot� for taking care of this job.

+1 Thanks a lot for the work on this. It is indeed much appreciated.

Thanks for the thanks. :)

Thomas

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From Andrey Skvortsov@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 21 16:50:01 2020

Hi Beatrice,

Thank you for the feedback. Thomas fixed that problem today, just have not pushed the production server. Now it's out and diff should be made against
the latest description.
Now forreview looks ok, IMHO. https://ddtp.debian.org/ddtss/index.cgi/it/forreview/bsdutils

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 4:20 PM Beatrice Torracca <beatricet@libero.it>
wrote:

Hi all,

indeed the diff frame is now back and working, but it seems to fetch the wrong old description sometimes.

For instance here https://ddtp.debian.org/ddtss/index.cgi/it/forreview/bsdutils

it shows the diff with version 815 (very old) instead of 276327 which is
the previous one, as one can see here:

https://ddtp.debian.org/ddt.cgi?desc_id=277359

Personally I have not pinpoint how/when this happens, maybe keep an
eye on the issue or investigate how the code decide what diff to show.

I am really happy to see the whole DDTSS system get back in track for good.

In the past days I checked the Etherpad with list of character-coding affected description and I annotated all the fixed ones I found with a "FIXED" at the end of the line. Italian is all fixed now, as most
other languages. As far as I can see there are less than an handful of
fr translations to fix and then everything should be without issues.

Thanks again a lot to all who worked on this,

beatrice

On domenica 21 giugno 2020, at 11:32 +0000, Joe Dalton wrote:

Hi Thomas, I can confirm that the issue is now solved. I have the old

translation now.

thanks
Joe

Den søndag den 14. juni 2020 19.10.20 CEST skrev Thomas Vincent <

thomas@vinc-net.fr>:

Hi Joe,

Le 13/06/2020 à 21:18, Joe Dalton a écrit :

Hi have we lost the functionality where the old translations was shown
in the bottom?

Thanks for the report!
Do you have an example of this?

The translation/review page is probably looking for the former translation/diff at the wrong location (for instance, on

ddtp2.debian.net).

We are currently looking into this issue and may have fixed some of its occurrences thanks to the patch provided by s3v.

Best regards,
Thomas

if yes, that is a serious setback.

and is
https://ddtp.debian.org/

the new official place to make translations?
bye

Joe
Den onsdag den 10. juni 2020 01.48.20 CEST skrev Thomas Vincent <thomas@vinc-net.fr>:

Hi,

Le 09/06/2020 à 13:06, Beatrice Torracca a écrit :

On martedì 09 giugno 2020, at 00:47 +0200, Thomas Vincent wrote:

In the meantime, Beatrice added a warning on ddtp.d.o pages to state >>> that it was still a testing instance and that all work done may be

lost,

but some contributors continued to provide translations (maybe they

did

not see the warning) and I did not want to have them loose more than

one

month of work, so the goal then became to fix all broken

translations,

and we're still at that step, unfortunately. :(

Maybe (next time) it would be enough to comunicate this kind of
decision on the list (unless I missed it, and I apologize if I
did). We (Italian team) followed rules and missed a lot of months of

work.

Yes indeed. I know how such long breaks can be demotivating.

I imagine I should change the warning then. Any suggestion?

Simply remove it?

So, to sum up:
- ddtp.d.o seems to be working fine now and all translations done on

it

will be kept
- translations accepted between roughly mid-march and mid-april may
contain badly encoded accented characters, they all need to be
reviewed and fixed (probably manually)

Is there an (easy) way for you to have a list of them? Not the wrong
ones, all the translations accepted in that problematic time
interval. Each language could review their own translations. I surely
can do it for Italian, maybe other languages too.

I retrieved a list of all translations accepted between March 1st and April 15th here: https://storm.debian.net/grain/JxKdTRSxGHkBwz4Xzzc9Ew

Andrey and I have started to review all of them and we're reopening translations for review when we find encoding issues.

I can help somehow to move forward and fix
remaining issues?

Well, first, thanks for the ping and the help offer! :)

Yes, thanks a lot to s3v for the ping. I planned to do it for a long
time and never did. I apologize with the Italian team for that. I
stalled their work long enough.

Thanks a lot for taking care of this job.

+1 Thanks a lot for the work on this. It is indeed much appreciated.

Thanks for the thanks. :)

Thomas

--

<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Beatrice,</div><div> </div><div>Thank you for the feedback. Thomas fixed that problem today, just have not pushed the production server. Now it's out and diff should be made against the latest description.</div><div>Now
forreview looks ok, IMHO. </div><div><a href="https://ddtp.debian.org/ddtss/index.cgi/it/forreview/bsdutils">https://ddtp.debian.org/ddtss/index.cgi/it/forreview/bsdutils</a></div><div> </div></div> <div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="
gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 4:20 PM Beatrice Torracca <<a href="mailto:beatricet@libero.it">beatricet@libero.it</a>> wrote: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);
padding-left:1ex">Hi all, 

indeed the diff frame is now back and working, but it seems to fetch the wrong old description sometimes. 

For instance here 
<a href="https://ddtp.debian.org/ddtss/index.cgi/it/forreview/bsdutils" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ddtp.debian.org/ddtss/index.cgi/it/forreview/bsdutils</a> 

it shows the diff with version 815 (very old) instead of 276327 which is the previous one, as one can see here: 

<a href="https://ddtp.debian.org/ddt.cgi?desc_id=277359" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ddtp.debian.org/ddt.cgi?desc_id=277359</a> 

Personally I have not pinpoint how/when this happens, maybe keep an 
eye on the issue or investigate how the code decide what diff to show. 

I am really happy to see the whole DDTSS system get back in track for good. 

In the past days I checked the Etherpad with list of character-coding affected description and I annotated all the fixed ones I found with a "FIXED" at the end of the line. Italian is all fixed now, as most other languages. As far as I can see there are less than an handful of 
fr translations to fix and then everything should be without issues. 

Thanks again a lot to all who worked on this, 

beatrice 

On domenica 21 giugno 2020, at 11:32 +0000, Joe Dalton wrote: 
> 
> 
> Hi Thomas, I can confirm that the issue is now solved. I have the old translation now. 
> thanks 
> Joe 
> 
> Den søndag den 14. juni 2020 19.10.20 CEST skrev Thomas Vincent <<a href="mailto:thomas@vinc-net.fr" target="_blank">thomas@vinc-net.fr</a>>: 
> 
> Hi Joe, 
> 
> Le 13/06/2020 à 21:18, Joe Dalton a écrit : 
> > Hi have we lost the functionality where the old translations was shown 
> > in the bottom? 
> 
> Thanks for the report! 
> Do you have an example of this? 
> 
> The translation/review page is probably looking for the former 
> translation/diff at the wrong location (for instance, on <a href="http://ddtp2.debian.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ddtp2.debian.net</a>). 
> We are currently looking into this issue and may have fixed some of its 
> occurrences thanks to the patch provided by s3v. 
> 
> Best regards, 
> Thomas 
> 
> > if yes, that is a serious setback. 
> > 
> > and is 
> > <a href="https://ddtp.debian.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ddtp.debian.org/</a> 
> > 
> > the new official place to make translations? 
> > bye 
> > 
> > Joe 
> > Den onsdag den 10. juni 2020 01.48.20 CEST skrev Thomas Vincent > > <<a href="mailto:thomas@vinc-net.fr" target="_blank">thomas@vinc-net.fr</a>>: 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > Le 09/06/2020 à 13:06, Beatrice Torracca a écrit : 
> >> On martedì 09 giugno 2020, at 00:47 +0200, Thomas Vincent wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> In the meantime, Beatrice added a warning on ddtp.d.o pages to state 
> >>> that it was still a testing instance and that all work done may be lost, 
> >>> but some contributors continued to provide translations (maybe they did 
> >>> not see the warning) and I did not want to have them loose more than one 
> >>> month of work, so the goal then became to fix all broken translations, 
> >>> and we're still at that step, unfortunately. :( 
> >> 
> >> Maybe (next time) it would be enough to comunicate this kind of 
> >> decision on the list (unless I missed it, and I apologize if I 
> >> did). We (Italian team) followed rules and missed a lot of months of work. 
> > 
> > Yes indeed. I know how such long breaks can be demotivating. 
> > 
> >> 
> >> I imagine I should change the warning then. Any suggestion? > > 
> > Simply remove it? 
> > 
> >> 
> >>> So, to sum up: 
> >>> - ddtp.d.o seems to be working fine now and all translations done on it 
> >>> will be kept 
> >>> - translations accepted between roughly mid-march and mid-april may 
> >>> contain badly encoded accented characters, they all need to be 
> >>> reviewed and fixed (probably manually) 
> >> 
> >> Is there an (easy) way for you to have a list of them? Not the wrong 
> >> ones, all the translations accepted in that problematic time > >> interval. Each language could review their own translations. I surely 
> >> can do it for Italian, maybe other languages too. 
> > 
> > I retrieved a list of all translations accepted between March 1st and 
> > April 15th here: <a href="https://storm.debian.net/grain/JxKdTRSxGHkBwz4Xzzc9Ew" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://storm.debian.net/grain/JxKdTRSxGHkBwz4Xzzc9Ew</a> 
> > 
> > Andrey and I have started to review all of them and we're reopening 
> > translations for review when we find encoding issues. 
> > 
> >> 
> >>>> I can help somehow to move forward and fix 
> >>>> remaining issues? 
> >>> 
> >>> Well, first, thanks for the ping and the help offer! :) > >> 
> >> Yes, thanks a lot to s3v for the ping. I planned to do it for a long 
> >> time and never did. I apologize with the Italian team for that. I 
> >> stalled their work long enough. 
> >> 
> >>>> Thanks a lot for taking care of this job. 
> >> 
> >> +1 Thanks a lot for the work on this. It is indeed much appreciated. 
> > 
> > Thanks for the thanks. :) 
> > 
> > 
> > Thomas 
> 
> 

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From Beatrice Torracca@21:1/5 to Thomas Vincent on Tue Jul 7 13:20:01 2020

On domenica 21 giugno 2020, at 16:52 +0200, Thomas Vincent wrote:

The next step is to get in touch with the ftp masters so they now
retrieve the translations from ddtp.d.o instead of ddtp2.d.n.
I'll post an update when we know more about this.

I think all translations, including the last French ones are now
ok. Any news on this following step of the process?

Thanks,

beatrice

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