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Hello Debian folks,
As someone who depends on the Debian project a lot in my daily life, I
cannot seem to let this idea go... Can the linux project fall?
How does the project maintain itself against the man's intrinsic need to control and own?
How many years can it stay strong and stay a free operating system
benefiting billions?
Shayan,
A curious linux user.
On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 09:37:27AM -0500, Shayan Akbar wrote:
Hello Debian folks,
As someone who depends on the Debian project a lot in my daily life, I cannot seem to let this idea go... Can the linux project fall?
Be more curious and ask
How to get Debian in a better shape?
Yes, that implies going from good to better.
Hello Debian folks,
As someone who depends on the Debian project a lot in my daily life, I
cannot seem to let this idea go... Can the linux project fall?
How does the project maintain itself against the man's intrinsic need to control and own?
How many years can it stay strong and stay a free operating system
benefiting billions?
On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 09:37:27AM -0500, Shayan Akbar wrote:
Hello Debian folks,
As someone who depends on the Debian project a lot in my daily life, I
cannot seem to let this idea go... Can the linux project fall?
How does the project maintain itself against the man's intrinsic need to
control and own?
How many years can it stay strong and stay a free operating system
benefiting billions?
We are doing well. The RPM world is collapsing -- Red Hat pretty much committed suicide, it had ~70% of the market but chosen only fat lucratious corporate clients, who grant mucho $$$s but these days development is so
open that the NDA world is not enough to sustain enough upstream work to prevent Red Hat from rapidly shrinking. The CentOS debacle was quite the
fat lady singing. They follow the Solaris tracks both in scheme and timing -- first market share loss, then buyout by a corporation known for nickle-and-diming, then hiring freeze, then last free release, then...
The track is set. Is sad to see them go but I have little hope. Fedora is merely Red Hat-unstable. SuSE is quite independent and, while small, does enough own development to possibly survive Red Hat's collapse. But IBM's
Red Hat... it'll have several great quarters then go down the hole that swallowed SCO, HP-UX, IRIX, Solaris, etc...
The popcorn world: Gentoo, Slack, Arch, Alpine -- they do produce quite a
bit of innovation that _is_ relevant, but as for number of users -- naah, they hardly count.
Ubuntu on the other hand is WTF-level unstable. First the Unity/GNOME disaster, then they totally snapped over, then their last LTS is so buggy it tends to randomly crash whatever I do, especially on !x86. Ppc64el falls apart, when I tried to use vectorscan:arm64 it had heisenbugs not reproducible on Debian, etc. I may need to touch Ubuntu for work stuff porting, but as an user, on random hosting VMs, I'm gone. Crossgrading
to Debian is an instant fix that brings stability and when not paid, I'm
not going to spend my copious free time to debug Ubuntu bugs.
What we do suffer though, is insane politics.
Meow!
We are doing well. The RPM world is collapsing
The popcorn world: Gentoo, Slack, Arch, Alpine -- they do produce quite a
bit of innovation that _is_ relevant, but as for number of users -- naah, they hardly count.
Ubuntu on the other hand is WTF-level unstable.
As someone who depends on the Debian project a lot in my daily life,
I cannot seem to let this idea go... Can the linux project fall?
How does the project maintain itself against the man's intrinsic need
to control and own?
How many years can it stay strong and stay a free operating system
benefiting billions?
On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 09:37:27AM -0500, Shayan Akbar wrote:
Hello Debian folks,
As someone who depends on the Debian project a lot in my daily life, I cannot seem to let this idea go... Can the linux project fall?
How does the project maintain itself against the man's intrinsic need to control and own?
How many years can it stay strong and stay a free operating system benefiting billions?
We are doing well. The RPM world is collapsing [...]
[...] SuSE is quite independent and, while small, does
The popcorn world: Gentoo, Slack, Arch, Alpine -- they do produce quite a
bit of innovation that _is_ relevant, but as for number of users -- naah, they hardly count.
What we do suffer though, is insane politics.
Thing is, Debian is living in a wonderful environment and "steals"
right and left (and is "stolen from"), courtesy of the free software
idea. And we're all richer for that!
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