• Upcoming EU Legislation (Cyber Resilience Act and Product Liability Dir

    From Ilulu@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 12 02:10:01 2023
    Hi Debianites,

    as a result of our discussions on DebConf23 and MiniDebConf Uruguay I
    would like to alert a broader audience to some proposed legislation in
    the European Union. I think Debian should take a public stand in this debate. I would like Debian to discuss and decide about making a public statement, as drafted here below.

    Regards,
    Ilu

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    Draft - Debian Public Statement about the EU Cyber Resilience Act and
    the Product Liability Directive

    The European Union is currently preparing a regulation "on horizontal cybersecurity requirements for products with digital elements" known as
    the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA). It's currently in the final "trilogue"
    phase of the legislative process. The act includes a set of essential cybersecurity and vulnerability handling requirements for manufacturers.
    It will require products to be accompanied by information and
    instructions to the user. Manufacturers will need to perform risk
    assessments and produce technical documentation and for critical
    components, have third-party audits conducted. Discoverded security
    issues will have to be reported to European authorities within 24 hours
    (1). The CRA will be followed up by the Product Liability Directive
    (PLD) which will introduce compulsory liability for software. More
    information about the proposed legislation and its consequences in (2).

    While a lot of these regulations seem reasonable, the Debian project
    believes that there are grave problems for Free Software projects
    attached to them. Therefore, the Debian project issues the following
    statement:

    1. Free Software has always been a gift, freely given to society, to
    take and to use as seen fit, for whatever purpose. Free Software has
    proven to be an asset in our digital age and the proposed EU Cyber
    Resilience Act is going to be detrimental to it. ​​​​​​
    a. It is Debian's goal to "make the best system we can, so that
    free works will be widely distributed and used." Imposing requirements
    such as those proposed in the act makes it legally perilous for others
    to redistribute our works and endangers our commitment to "provide an integrated system of high-quality materials _with no legal restrictions_
    that would prevent such uses of the system". (3)

    b. Knowing whether software is commercial or not isn't feasible,
    neither in Debian nor in most free software projects - we don't track
    people's employment status or history, nor do we check who finances
    upstream projects.

    c. If upstream projects stop developing for fear of being in the
    scope of CRA and its financial consequences, system security will
    actually get worse instead of better.

    d. Having to get legal advice before giving a present to society
    will discourage many developers, especially those without a company or
    other organisation supporting them.

    2. Debian is well known for its security track record through practices
    of responsible disclosure and coordination with upstream developers and
    other Free Software projects. We aim to live up to the commitment made
    in the Social Contract: "We will not hide problems." (3)
    a. The Free Software community has developed a fine-tuned, well
    working system of responsible disclosure in case of security issues
    which will be overturned by the mandatory reporting to European
    authorities within 24 hours (Art. 11 CRA).

    b. Debian spends a lot of volunteering time on security issues,
    provides quick security updates and works closely together with upstream projects, in coordination with other vendors. To protect its users,
    Debian regularly participates in limited embargos to coordinate fixes to security issues so that all other major Linux distributions can also
    have a complete fix when the vulnerability is disclosed.

    c. Security issue tracking and remediation is intentionally
    decentralized and distributed. The reporting of security issues to
    ENISA and the intended propagation to other authorities and national administrations would collect all software vulnerabilities in one place, greatly increasing the risk of leaking information about vulnerabilities
    to threat actors, representing a threat for all the users around the
    world, including European citizens.

    d. Activists use Debian (e.g. through derivatives such as Tails),
    among other reasons, to protect themselves from authoritarian
    governments; handing threat actors exploits they can use for oppression
    is against what Debian stands for.

    e. Developers and companies will downplay security issues because
    a "security" issue now comes with legal implications. Less clarity on
    what is truly a security issue will hurt users by leaving them vulnerable.

    3. While proprietary software is developed behind closed doors, Free
    Software development is done in the open, transparent for everyone. To
    keep even with proprietary software the open development process needs
    to be entirely exempt from CRA requirements, just as the development of software in private is. A "making available on the market" can only be considered after development is finished and the software is released.

    4. Even if only "commercial activities" are in the scope of CRA, the
    Free Software community - and as a consequence, everybody - will lose a
    lot of small projects. CRA will force many small enterprises and most
    probably all self employed developers out of business because they
    simply cannot fullfill the requirements imposed by CRA. Debian and other
    Linux distributions depend on their work. It is not understandable why
    the EU aims to cripple not only an established community but also a
    thriving market. CRA needs an exemption for small businesses and, at the
    very least, solo-entrepreneurs.

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    Sources:

    (1) CRA proposals and links: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislative-train/theme-a-europe-fit-for-the-digital-age/file-proposal-for-cybersecurity-regulation
    PLD proposals and links: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislative-train/theme-a-europe-fit-for-the-digital-age/file-new-product-liability-directive

    (2) Background information: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2023/01/24/tdf-position-on-eus-proposed-cyber-resilience-act/
    https://blogs.eclipse.org/post/mike-milinkovich/european-cyber-resilience-act-potential-impact-eclipse-foundation
    https://labs.ripe.net/author/maarten-aertsen/open-source-software-vs-the-proposed-cyber-resilience-act/
    https://blog.opensource.org/author/webmink/
    Detailed analysis: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13410-Cyber-resilience-act-new-cybersecurity-rules-for-digital-products-and-ancillary-services/F3376542_en

    (3) Debian Social Contract No. 2, 3 and 4 https://www.debian.org/social_contract

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  • From Gunnar Wolf@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 12 16:50:01 2023
    Ilulu dijo [Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 01:58:42AM +0100]:
    Hi Debianites,

    as a result of our discussions on DebConf23 and MiniDebConf Uruguay I
    would like to alert a broader audience to some proposed legislation in
    the European Union. I think Debian should take a public stand in this debate. I would like Debian to discuss and decide about making a public statement, as drafted here below.

    Regards,
    Ilu

    FWIW, in case you are not suscribed --- Santiago Ruano forwarded this
    proposal to the debian-vote@lists.debian.org mailing list. Please
    consider seconding it. Of course, I hope the Secretary agrees this
    should constitute a call for votes and accepts our seconds, and starts
    the GR process.

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  • From Jeremy Stanley@21:1/5 to Ilulu on Mon Nov 13 17:00:01 2023
    On 2023-11-12 01:58:42 +0100 (+0100), Ilulu wrote:
    as a result of our discussions on DebConf23 and MiniDebConf
    Uruguay I would like to alert a broader audience to some proposed
    legislation in the European Union. I think Debian should take a
    public stand in this debate.
    [...]

    On a related note, I've been talking informally with OSI leadership
    about how SPI might get more involved in their efforts around this
    problem on behalf of the projects we represent. I hadn't put much
    time into it yet because (until now), I'd seen no clear evidence of
    any SPI associated projects raising actual concerns about the CRA.

    In July of this year, OSI and LF organized a series of
    invitation-only meetings in Geneva they called the Open Source
    Congress, primarily in order for non-profit foundations to discuss
    the potential impact of in-progress legislation like the CRA on
    free/libre open source software developer communities. I found out
    after the fact, and when I asked a friend at OSI why SPI hadn't been
    invited, I was told it was simply because *they forgot we exist*.

    One of my goals is to make sure we have a seat at the table during
    future such discussions, so anything we can do to coordinate
    messaging between Debian and SPI would be great. What would help, I
    think, is for representatives of Debian to officially state that
    they'd like SPI to be involved in these and similar activities,
    either along with or on behalf of the Debian community. As long as
    there's clear public indication of that desire, it's much easier for
    me to push related activities (through formal votes on resolutions)
    from within the board of directors.
    --
    Jeremy Stanley

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  • From Ilu@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 13 18:00:01 2023
    I completely agree with Jeremy. This is absolutely important. EU
    legislation is heavily influenced by lobbying and we should not shy away
    from that. Lobbying for a good cause is good and also succesful if it's
    done unanimously and coordinated, see "chat control" (CSAMR) as a recent example.

    I talked to the DPL in May and kind of delegated myself into the
    lobbying process (which includes OSI and LF by the way) because there is
    no formal Debian way of doing this (and I represent a derivative
    distribution which shares my views).

    I think SPI has limited possibilities to engage in these things due to
    their US non-profit status, but I don't know US law, so I'm not sure
    about that. From my point of view it would be better to join in with one
    of the European groups, like EDRI or OFE, but I don't know the internal workings of Debian well enough.

    Ilu

    Am 13.11.23 um 16:22 schrieb Jeremy Stanley:
    On 2023-11-12 01:58:42 +0100 (+0100), Ilulu wrote:
    as a result of our discussions on DebConf23 and MiniDebConf
    Uruguay I would like to alert a broader audience to some proposed
    legislation in the European Union. I think Debian should take a
    public stand in this debate.
    [...]

    On a related note, I've been talking informally with OSI leadership
    about how SPI might get more involved in their efforts around this
    problem on behalf of the projects we represent. I hadn't put much
    time into it yet because (until now), I'd seen no clear evidence of
    any SPI associated projects raising actual concerns about the CRA.

    In July of this year, OSI and LF organized a series of
    invitation-only meetings in Geneva they called the Open Source
    Congress, primarily in order for non-profit foundations to discuss
    the potential impact of in-progress legislation like the CRA on
    free/libre open source software developer communities. I found out
    after the fact, and when I asked a friend at OSI why SPI hadn't been
    invited, I was told it was simply because *they forgot we exist*.

    One of my goals is to make sure we have a seat at the table during
    future such discussions, so anything we can do to coordinate
    messaging between Debian and SPI would be great. What would help, I
    think, is for representatives of Debian to officially state that
    they'd like SPI to be involved in these and similar activities,
    either along with or on behalf of the Debian community. As long as
    there's clear public indication of that desire, it's much easier for
    me to push related activities (through formal votes on resolutions)
    from within the board of directors.

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  • From Jeremy Stanley@21:1/5 to Ilu on Mon Nov 13 18:20:01 2023
    On 2023-11-13 17:49:11 +0100 (+0100), Ilu wrote:
    [...]
    I think SPI has limited possibilities to engage in these things
    due to their US non-profit status, but I don't know US law, so I'm
    not sure about that. From my point of view it would be better to
    join in with one of the European groups, like EDRI or OFE, but I
    don't know the internal workings of Debian well enough.
    [...]

    While SPI as an organization may not be able to directly lobby EU
    legislators (in fact, the USA imposes restrictions limiting the ways
    charities can engage in political lobbying even within the USA), EU
    countries are also not the only ones working on upcoming
    cybersecurity and software product safety regulations. SPI does work
    with organizations based all around the World however, and
    organizations within the EU may still take input and advice from
    SPI, as well as rely on our public statements to help strengthen
    their voices.
    --
    Jeremy Stanley

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