If not, maybe we should
shut it down or remove the DNS records for it rather than pretend it's
a good/safe place for our users.
In total there are 243 users online :: 1 registered, 3 hidden and 239 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 1682 on 2020-10-25 15:07
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Hi,
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 6:33 AM Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> wrote:
If not, maybe we should
shut it down or remove the DNS records for it rather than pretend it's
a good/safe place for our users.
Seems like a reasonably popular service, although I never use it:
In total there are 243 users online :: 1 registered, 3 hidden and 239 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 1682 on 2020-10-25 15:07
Total posts 661763 • Total topics 96852 • Total members 47016
The aggregate numbers seem to cover 17 years or so, for about one
hundred posts per day.
All the posts I saw were technical in nature. What's unsafe about it, please?
On 29 Mar 2021, at 16:04, Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 07:58:33AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 7:34 AM Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> wrote: >>>
It's better to do something about
that up-front (ideally by provoking people to step up) than wait for
bad things to happen.
I agree with that sentiment, but in light of other efforts to limit
public discourse—such as shortening the discussion period on a
controversial GR—it seems poor timing to shut down a public forum.
Is that you volunteering to be an admin, then...?
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On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 07:58:33AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 7:34 AM Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> wrote:
It's better to do something about
that up-front (ideally by provoking people to step up) than wait for
bad things to happen.
I agree with that sentiment, but in light of other efforts to limit
public discourse—such as shortening the discussion period on a
controversial GR—it seems poor timing to shut down a public forum.
Is that you volunteering to be an admin, then...?
Nominally, I was put in charge a while back, as whoever was in charge
of it at the time didn’t want to be involved any more, and there was a
need for something to be done related to the software/server (I can’t
quite remember) - which is where Joerg was involved.
Nominally, I was put in charge a while back, as whoever was in charge
of it at the time didn’t want to be involved any more, and there was
a need for something to be done related to the software/server (I
can’t quite remember) - which is where Joerg was involved.
There was a LOT of controversy at the time, as I put in place a team
of (volunteer, non DD) moderators and admins - some of the community
decided that this was a restriction of their free speech, branded me
a nazi, and split off to make their own “competitor” forums.
I didn’t want to be particularly involved after all of that, and made
this clear to the team and those involved. I did ask for assistance
in various places at the time, but to no avail.
I’ve voiced my opinion on multiple occasions that it should be taken
down, or taken over by someone with the will to work on it, but
whilst no ones been willing to step up and take it on, the general
consensus was that it would be better to exist than to not.
Last I left the forums, it was being led by a small team of admins
and mods who cad proven themselves as competent and capable, and I
had left them to manage this on their own, with a request to reach
out to me if they needed assistance.
The forums are a “community” forums, not official “Debian” forums, so >it’s hard to lead - those who are toxic within the official community
get dealt with via DAM or similar, but minuscule actions on the
forums have previously led to “outcry” (threats of brigading
complaints to DAM/DPL about me, for example).
I honestly don’t think that the forum is worth it, and I think it
would be safer if there were more DDs involved, rather than just the >community.
I *do* have admin access on the web part too, but I always said I won't use >that for normal day-to-day forums stuff, only when required for machine >maintenance works.
So yeah, I have access, but I am not really interested in the user facing >part of it. If someone (a team, possibly with tight connections to Debian, so >contributor/project member?!) is, I am (and I think Martin too) are happy to >hand out access on the web.
On 3/29/21 11:03 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 07:58:33AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 7:34 AM Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> wrote: >>>>
It's better to do something about
that up-front (ideally by provoking people to step up) than wait for
bad things to happen.
I agree with that sentiment, but in light of other efforts to limit
public discourse—such as shortening the discussion period on a
controversial GR—it seems poor timing to shut down a public forum.
Is that you volunteering to be an admin, then...?
Is there a set of documentation/rules in place for it? I can assist if
needed under publicity/press. Technically it could be considered media.
On 30 Mar 2021, at 21:28, Donald Norwood <donald@debian.org> wrote:
Hi Steve,
On 3/30/21 3:14 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Hey Donald,
I think the key piece I'm looking for is people prepared to admin and
monitor the forums as a safe place for Debian users. Documenting what
that means shouldn't be too hard - we'd want to see our existing CoC
applied.
I'll step up to help admin/manage the process if the admin teams are
unable to at this time. Ideally a few other DDs will join the effort,
but for now we can try to save it with some moderation or in the least a presence.
Best wishes,
-Donald
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Hey Donald,
I think the key piece I'm looking for is people prepared to admin and
monitor the forums as a safe place for Debian users. Documenting what
that means shouldn't be too hard - we'd want to see our existing CoC
applied.
Ideally a few other DDs will join
Hi Donald,
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:38 PM Donald Norwood <donald@debian.org> wrote:
Ideally a few other DDs will join
I would be happy to assist you in a subordinate capacity, if needed.
My user name is 'lechner'. I tried three captchas, and there was no TLS.
Kind regards
Felix Lechner
On Mar 30 2021, at 10:38 pm, Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> wrote:</div><blockquote><div><div>Hi Donald,</div><br><div>On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:38 PM Donald Norwood <donald@debian.org> wrote:</div><div>></div><div>>Ideally a few other DDs will join</div><br><div>I would be happy to assist you in a subordinate capacity, if needed.</div><br><div>My user name is 'lechner'. I tried three captchas, and there was no TLS.</div><br><div>Kind regards</div><div>Felix Lechner<
I've contacted the admins personally - and posted a thread about this in the >"staff" section of the forums, so I hope people will get involved.
I've also replied to this thread privately (not wanting to expose anyone's >contact details who may or may not want them so) so that the current admins can
be involved, if they wish.
The technical side of things does need a fair bit of work (the forums need an upgrade, we need to add Let's Encrypt etc).
On Mar 30 2021, at 10:38 pm, Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> wrote:CA's. :)
Hi Donald,
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:38 PM Donald Norwood <donald@debian.org> wrote: >>>
Ideally a few other DDs will join
I would be happy to assist you in a subordinate capacity, if needed.
My user name is 'lechner'. I tried three captchas, and there was no TLS. Awesome. We can buddy up, no need for subordinate anythings except for
concerns about "safety" I know of concern the fact the forums are http,"I read that mailing list thread but don't get the point. The only
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