On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 18:19:13 +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
Our annual groupmeeting aka "BoF" is getting closer:
And it happened :)
Videos are up at
https://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2021/DebConf21/
And here are the notes taken during the meeting and slightly edited
by various people afterwards.
Thanks to everyone who participated in one way or another!
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https://debconf21.debconf.org/talks/75-use-perl-annual-meeting-of-the-debian-perl-group/
use Perl; # Annual meeting of the Debian Perl Group
Aug 25 (Wed): 17:00-17:45 UTC
Pad for questions:
https://pad.dc21.debconf.org/p/75-use-perl-annual-meeting-of-the-debian-perl-gr
IRC: #debian-perl (and probably #dc21-talks-1 and #debconf)
Intro: Organisation
===================
Who takes notes? Who monitors (which) IRC channels/pads?
notes: ntyni & nodens
Intro: Welcome, who's here?
===========================
Introduce yourself if you like!
emollier, ntyni, elbrus, carnil, cstamas, utkarsh, wouter, nodens,
knowledgejunkie, axhn, gregoa
Intro: Agenda
=============
Anything to add to/scratch from the agenda? Order of topics?
no changes, all fine
Team status
===========
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup/Statistics
* Members/committers
members number pretty constant, number of very active persons
(> 100 commits) down from 11 to 6
* LHF sessions
pretty normal compared to earlier years
General discussion?
a year of rather low activity due to Covid-19 + freeze
Future of LHF?
nodens: LHF meetings are still useful
emollier: +1
wouter: maybe advertise more widely?
elbrus + gregoa: might do a yearly advertisement or something like that
Usual question: do we keep the date + time (17:00 UTC and 19:00 UTC alternatively)?
No opposition
ACTION: update LHF wiki page [done]
Does using Jitsi make sense?
It was tried, but not very successful. We can decide whether we
make a jitsi call at the occasion on each LHF.
ACTION: put it in the agenda for LHF [done]
Sprints
=======
There was no sprint (online or in-person) since the last BoF.
Future of sprints?
would be nice to plan something for next year, preferrably with
light preparations so it's easier to cancel
usual time of the year has been around April / May
plan for that for now, revisit around December / January
PS:
*
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/de/2021/DebianReunionHamburg
*
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/de/2021/MiniDebConfRegensburg
Perl 5.34
=========
https://gobby.debian.org/export/Teams/Perl/Perl-5.34-QA
Status?
in experimental
/* discussion between elbrus & ntyni about interaction with ci.debian.net */
Todo?
maybe splitting a few smaller packages out of src:perl to help with usrmerge
Timeline?
[tagged bugs:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=perl-5.34-transition;users=debian-perl@lists.debian.org ]
CPAN tarballs vs. git
=====================
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2021/08/msg00133.html
the canonical way of distribution on CPAN is still tarballs, git
usage varies
probably not a concern for pkg-perl but we'll want to have the
tooling work for us
"Leftovers" from BoFs at DebConf19/20
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<!nocheck> (policy?)
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From BoF 2019:
1. Recommend this for now and complete the work in dh-make-perl [done]
2. Once we have enough adoption (e.g. in 1 year), mandate it.
Not discussed in 2020
Decision: As people and tools use it, add it to group policy?
People use it, tools use it, it is time to add a sentence or two
in the policy.
ACTION: elbrus will add the bits [done]
R³ (policy?)
------------
Not covered in BoFs 2019/20 for time reasons.
Decision: As people and tools use it, add it to group policy?
Christoph pointed it should actually be a default, and we should add
exceptions as needed.
However this is a discussion for a broader audience.
Proposal: We add a sentence to the group policy now, if someone is up
for bringing up the matter to debian-devel, the pkg-perl group
supports it.
ACTION: elbrus volunteered since he already adds another sentence to
the policy ;) [MR done]
DEP-14
------
Not covered in BoFs 2019/20 for time reasons.
Some people/packages switched. Issues for tools.
Discussion? Decision? Coordinated actions?
Comment from gregoa: it does break tools… It's no big deal but it
would be preferable and helpful to discuss the change before changing
it on specific packages. ;) So please don't hesitate to bring up a
discussion on the list on these matters.
Post-BoF (unrecorded): We at least need to be as consistent as
possible in the packages maintained in the team.
Post-BoF: idea: "pkg-perl newsletter" / reminder of tools
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Leftover topics:
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[moved to BoF agenda for DebConf22 in gobby - maybe start with them :)]
dgit
----
From BoF 2019:
We (?) feel it's too early to discuss whether we should use this
consistently across the team.
Anything to discuss?
salsa-ci
--------
From Bof 2019:
1. It is OK if some of us enable it for some packages, for which they
would like to take benefit from the Salsa CI pipeline, as long as they
keep an eye on the results and take care of it. If this harms the work
of other team members, please say so and we'll adjust/disable/whatever.
https://salsa.debian.org/salsa-ci-team/pipeline/-/blob/master/README.md "recipes/debian.yml@salsa-ci-team/pipeline"
Anything to discuss?
Tooling for inactive group members
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Was planned for DebCamp 2020.
Action item?
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Cheers,
gregor
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