Hi all,

Since an odd fortnight to a month, many default visual parameters are weird. Let me be more specific:

Every times I open Kmail, the "list" part of the main window, "subject", "senders", "date", are crammed to the left. Just to the point you can't read anything meaningful. For instance all subjects are restricted to "Re:...".

But the main point is, mouse-sliding the column separators, works only until you close the window: every time it is closed and then opened back again, the modifications I made to the column width are lost, and everything is again in its unreadable configuration.

Errata: I've just check: it's every times you log-out log-in again.

Along the same line:

Every times I open Kmail after logging, it opens in full-screen. I could force it with "special window setting", but that's not the point. Of course I mouse- change the geometry, but each times it re-open full screen.

Along the same line:

I usually have two konsole windows. One of them is restored correctly but not the other one. That point might be related to my using two monitors, though.

And again:

There is the poor session tab management of okular, which "could" be related, or not (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335852).

All those points really hinder the usability of the desktop, because, when you have papers arranged on you desk, you expect them to be at the same place when you come back the next day. You are not supposed to spend half an hour to carefully put every paper in some drawer, and writing a very complicated note to yourself, and the next day spend a similar amount of time, reorganizing
your desk.

Anyway, that might be only me.

Also, I do have to turn my computer off each day, because second monitor "dpms" energy saving is random, sometimes it steadily works and sometimes, it turns the monitor on and off at a three minutes like frequency, and I'm afraid that might just kill the monitor.

And if I use the monitor power button, everything is messed up when I turn it back on, issue which I understand is widespread.

And even the resolution is wrong (when I use monitor poser button), most of
the time, to the point that `drm_info`, doesn't return even the possibility of the correct resolution.

All that put together, I'm compelled to turn off the computer every days, which is unusual thing to do, and might explain I'm the only one experiencing those weird window placements and other faulty columns things.

Thanks,
Chris

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Am Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2021, 16:46:10 CET schrieb inkbottle:

Hi all,

++

Since an odd fortnight to a month, many default visual parameters are weird. Let me be more specific:

Every times I open Kmail, the "list" part of the main window, "subject", "senders", "date", are crammed to the left. Just to the point you can't read anything meaningful. For instance all subjects are restricted to "Re:...".

But the main point is, mouse-sliding the column separators, works only until you close the window: every time it is closed and then opened back again, the
modifications I made to the column width are lost, and everything is again in
its unreadable configuration.

Errata: I've just check: it's every times you log-out log-in again.

Same here, on an oldish version of Kmail (5.9.3 as packaged on Debian/Buster). Seeing the effect for some time longer, I guess. Not fully clear as of
when, exactly.

If you want to double your trouble, try switching between starting Kmail as Kmail and Kmail within Kontact. Seems to add an extra layer of settings-forgetfulness.

Might be an issue with the settings store, since in Buster, there has not
been an upgrade to KMail, but the odd behaviour was not apparent from the beginning, at least not that I remember.

I have not checked with current KMail in Sid, which is far more recent
and also sits on top of a far more recent Frameworks. Might not make much
sense to report a bug against Buster now.

[...]

(Bye)²,

another Chris

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On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 5:20:57 PM CET Christian Hilberg wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2021, 16:46:10 CET schrieb inkbottle:

Hi all,

++

Since an odd fortnight to a month, many default visual parameters are weird. Let me be more specific:

Every times I open Kmail, the "list" part of the main window, "subject", "senders", "date", are crammed to the left. Just to the point you can't read anything meaningful. For instance all subjects are restricted to "Re:...".

But the main point is, mouse-sliding the column separators, works only until you close the window: every time it is closed and then opened back again, the modifications I made to the column width are lost, and everything is again in its unreadable configuration.

Errata: I've just check: it's every times you log-out log-in again.

Same here, on an oldish version of Kmail (5.9.3 as packaged on Debian/Buster). Seeing the effect for some time longer, I guess. Not fully clear as of when, exactly.

If you want to double your trouble, try switching between starting Kmail as Kmail and Kmail within Kontact. Seems to add an extra layer of settings-forgetfulness.

Might be an issue with the settings store, since in Buster, there has not been an upgrade to KMail, but the odd behaviour was not apparent from the beginning, at least not that I remember.

I have not checked with current KMail in Sid, which is far more recent
and also sits on top of a far more recent Frameworks. Might not make much sense to report a bug against Buster now.

Yeah, I should have mentioned that I'm using sid, and since my issues are like a month old, they are very likely unrelated.

[...]

(Bye)²,

another Chris

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Hi,

Using sid.

Every times I open Kmail, the "list" part of the main window, "subject", "senders", "date", are crammed to the left. Just to the point you can't read anything meaningful. For instance all subjects are restricted to "Re:...".

I only see this issue sometimes when I plug an external monitor than restart without the monitor available.

But the main point is, mouse-sliding the column separators, works only until you close the window: every time it is closed and then opened back again,
the modifications I made to the column width are lost, and everything is again in its unreadable configuration.

Every times I open Kmail after logging, it opens in full-screen. I could force it with "special window setting", but that's not the point. Of course
I mouse- change the geometry, but each times it re-open full screen.

This works for me. I also did another try the size of Kontact in general and also the columns width is restored correctly. Maybe you need to remove your current session to restart with a fresh one. I have different session artifacts, like apps get started again and again, but I also close them.

I usually have two konsole windows. One of them is restored correctly but
not the other one. That point might be related to my using two monitors, though.

I cannot reproduce, as I don't have two monitors attached to my computer.

There is the poor session tab management of okular, which "could" be
related, or not (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335852).

Don't use okular that much, so I normal don't have okular open when
restarting.

All those points really hinder the usability of the desktop, because, when you have papers arranged on you desk, you expect them to be at the same
place when you come back the next day. You are not supposed to spend half
an hour to carefully put every paper in some drawer, and writing a very complicated note to yourself, and the next day spend a similar amount of time, reorganizing your desk.

Please search for upstream bugs and if there are non please create them https://bugs.kde.org. I would place them at ksmserver, as it is mostly likely that this has the issues.If there are patches we can backport them to Debian.

Regards

hefee
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On Thursday, January 14, 2021 2:20:21 PM CET Sandro Knauß wrote:

Hi,

Using sid.

Every times I open Kmail, the "list" part of the main window, "subject", "senders", "date", are crammed to the left. Just to the point you can't read anything meaningful. For instance all subjects are restricted to "Re:...".

I only see this issue sometimes when I plug an external monitor than restart without the monitor available.

But the main point is, mouse-sliding the column separators, works only until you close the window: every time it is closed and then opened back again, the modifications I made to the column width are lost, and everything is again in its unreadable configuration.

Every times I open Kmail after logging, it opens in full-screen. I could force it with "special window setting", but that's not the point. Of
course
I mouse- change the geometry, but each times it re-open full screen.

This works for me. I also did another try the size of Kontact in general and also the columns width is restored correctly. Maybe you need to remove your current session to restart with a fresh one. I have different session artifacts, like apps get started again and again, but I also close them.

I usually have two konsole windows. One of them is restored correctly but not the other one. That point might be related to my using two monitors, though.

I cannot reproduce, as I don't have two monitors attached to my computer.

There is the poor session tab management of okular, which "could" be related, or not (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335852).

Don't use okular that much, so I normal don't have okular open when restarting.

All those points really hinder the usability of the desktop, because, when you have papers arranged on you desk, you expect them to be at the same place when you come back the next day. You are not supposed to spend half an hour to carefully put every paper in some drawer, and writing a very complicated note to yourself, and the next day spend a similar amount of time, reorganizing your desk.

Please search for upstream bugs and if there are non please create them https://bugs.kde.org. I would place them at ksmserver, as it is mostly likely that this has the issues.If there are patches we can backport them
to Debian.

Well, thanks a lot. I've been investigating the line of old session files, removing all that could easily be removed, and still in the process of looking into the others.

I've found that line that actually forces session saving:

```
qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer org.kde.KSMServerInterface.saveCurrentSession
```

And it works, in that there is a `~/.config/session/okular_10df6-blah-blah` file
created.
And that this file contains:

```
[1]
ActiveTab=0
Urls[$e]=file:$HOME/file1.pdf,file:$HOME/file2.pdf

...
```

I'll also investigate in the line of: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi? id=403848

If you do a log-out, with okular multiple tabs: logout process is actually interrupted. Until the time you click "yes", I do want to close all okular tabs. If you answer cancel to that dialog box, the log-out is stopped.

If instead it's a reboot, you have the same visual, but after a while the reboot wins the battle.

However that doesn't seem like sound at all. Like, at what point is the session saved, before or after okular is closed, or tabs are closed.

I'll keep you informed.

Regards

hefee

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On Friday, January 15, 2021 4:47:32 AM CET you wrote:

On Thursday, January 14, 2021 2:20:21 PM CET Sandro Knauß wrote:

Hi,

Using sid.

...

I'll keep you informed.

Regards

hefee

For the Okular bit, I've found a workaround (I hope), and reported that upstream:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335852
IMO it's also a security concern.

They seem to have a lot on their plate for the present...

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