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  • Cleaning up the Salsa DPT landing page

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Louis-Philippe_V=c3=a9ron@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 17 18:30:01 2022
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    Hey folks,

    The merger between the DPMT and the PAPT into a single entity has been
    pretty successful IMO and I think it's time to cleanup the Salsa DPT
    landing page.

    Looking at https://salsa.debian.org/python-team, I would propose the
    following:

    1. Delete the empty DPMT sub-group at https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/modules

    2. Delete the empty PAPT sub-group at https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/applications

    3. In the 'tools' sub-group, rename the 'python-modules' sub-sub-group
    to 'policy' and delete everything that is not the 'policy.rst' file, as
    people now use the 'packages' sub-sub-group for tracking purposes https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules

    4. Delete the legacy 'python-apps' sub-sub-group https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-apps

    Happy to hear what others think of this. I don't have the permissions to
    enact this anyway, so if we reach consensus, and admin will have to make
    the actual changes :)

    Cheers,

    --
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    ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ pollo@debian.org / veronneau.org
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  • From Scott Kitterman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 17 18:40:02 2022
    On Monday, January 17, 2022 12:20:59 PM EST Louis-Philippe Vronneau wrote:
    Hey folks,

    The merger between the DPMT and the PAPT into a single entity has been
    pretty successful IMO and I think it's time to cleanup the Salsa DPT
    landing page.

    Looking at https://salsa.debian.org/python-team, I would propose the following:

    1. Delete the empty DPMT sub-group at https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/modules

    2. Delete the empty PAPT sub-group at https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/applications

    I don't have an opinion on #3 and #4.

    Might it be better to leave these with a description that explains where they went? There's lots of things that refer to DPMT/PAPT and I don't think all the packages have been uploaded with the correct Vcs-* data yet. It doesn't hurt to leave them there and if they explain where to look instead, I think the chances of someone being confused later are reduced.

    Scott K
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Louis-Philippe_V=c3=a9ron@21:1/5 to Scott Kitterman on Mon Jan 17 19:10:03 2022
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    On 2022-01-17 12 h 31, Scott Kitterman wrote:
    On Monday, January 17, 2022 12:20:59 PM EST Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote:
    Hey folks,

    The merger between the DPMT and the PAPT into a single entity has been
    pretty successful IMO and I think it's time to cleanup the Salsa DPT
    landing page.

    Looking at https://salsa.debian.org/python-team, I would propose the
    following:

    1. Delete the empty DPMT sub-group at
    https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/modules

    2. Delete the empty PAPT sub-group at
    https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/applications

    I don't have an opinion on #3 and #4.

    I mostly care about #3 in #4 :P

    Might it be better to leave these with a description that explains where they
    went? There's lots of things that refer to DPMT/PAPT and I don't think all the packages have been uploaded with the correct Vcs-* data yet. It doesn't hurt to leave them there and if they explain where to look instead, I think the chances of someone being confused later are reduced.

    The following lintian tags flag packages using the old Vcs-* data:

    https://lintian.debian.org/tags/old-papt-vcs (11 packages) https://lintian.debian.org/tags/old-dpmt-vcs (431 packages)

    Those packages have been fixed in git though, as Ondřej ran a script to
    fix all of them a while ago already.

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think keeping empty dirs
    does anything to the Salsa redirects though.

    --
    ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
    ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Louis-Philippe Véronneau
    ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ pollo@debian.org / veronneau.org
    ⠈⠳⣄

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  • From Scott Kitterman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 17 20:10:03 2022
    On Monday, January 17, 2022 12:59:53 PM EST Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote:
    On 2022-01-17 12 h 31, Scott Kitterman wrote:
    On Monday, January 17, 2022 12:20:59 PM EST Louis-Philippe Véronneau
    wrote:
    Hey folks,

    The merger between the DPMT and the PAPT into a single entity has been
    pretty successful IMO and I think it's time to cleanup the Salsa DPT
    landing page.

    Looking at https://salsa.debian.org/python-team, I would propose the
    following:

    1. Delete the empty DPMT sub-group at
    https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/modules

    2. Delete the empty PAPT sub-group at
    https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/applications

    I don't have an opinion on #3 and #4.

    I mostly care about #3 in #4 :P

    Might it be better to leave these with a description that explains where they went? There's lots of things that refer to DPMT/PAPT and I don't think all the packages have been uploaded with the correct Vcs-* data
    yet. It doesn't hurt to leave them there and if they explain where to
    look instead, I think the chances of someone being confused later are reduced.

    The following lintian tags flag packages using the old Vcs-* data:

    https://lintian.debian.org/tags/old-papt-vcs (11 packages) https://lintian.debian.org/tags/old-dpmt-vcs (431 packages)

    Those packages have been fixed in git though, as Ondřej ran a script to
    fix all of them a while ago already.

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think keeping empty dirs
    does anything to the Salsa redirects though.

    I don't know, but I wasn't primarily thinking about people working internal to Debian (who might look at lintian output). I was more thinking about users (both ours and downstream). If they apt source <PKG> their debian/control will have the obsolete Vcs-Browser information. I think there should at least be a tombstone there for them to understand where the team went.

    I think this is much less relevant for #3 and #4 since they are more internally focused so some expectation that people will keep up with changes is more reasonable.

    Scott K

    Scott K
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  • From Sandro Tosi@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 17 20:40:01 2022
    If they apt source <PKG> their debian/control
    will have the obsolete Vcs-Browser information. I think there should at least
    be a tombstone there for them to understand where the team went.

    since we moved these repos within salsa, they are actually being
    redirected to the right repo location. I took a random package that
    still uses the all address:

    https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/modules/webpy

    and if i browse it, i get redirected to

    https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages/webpy

    with a window stating:

    Project 'python-team/modules/webpy' was moved to
    'python-team/packages/webpy'. Please update any links and bookmarks
    that may still have the old path.

    so it looks like even if downstreams have the old url, it will be
    redirected to the right place and modules|apps can be removed

    --
    Sandro "morph" Tosi
    My website: http://sandrotosi.me/
    Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/sandrotosi

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  • From Scott Kitterman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 17 20:20:01 2022
    On Monday, January 17, 2022 12:59:53 PM EST Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote:
    On 2022-01-17 12 h 31, Scott Kitterman wrote:
    On Monday, January 17, 2022 12:20:59 PM EST Louis-Philippe Véronneau
    wrote:
    Hey folks,

    The merger between the DPMT and the PAPT into a single entity has been
    pretty successful IMO and I think it's time to cleanup the Salsa DPT
    landing page.

    Looking at https://salsa.debian.org/python-team, I would propose the
    following:

    1. Delete the empty DPMT sub-group at
    https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/modules

    2. Delete the empty PAPT sub-group at
    https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/applications

    I don't have an opinion on #3 and #4.

    I mostly care about #3 in #4 :P

    Might it be better to leave these with a description that explains where they went? There's lots of things that refer to DPMT/PAPT and I don't think all the packages have been uploaded with the correct Vcs-* data
    yet. It doesn't hurt to leave them there and if they explain where to
    look instead, I think the chances of someone being confused later are reduced.

    The following lintian tags flag packages using the old Vcs-* data:

    https://lintian.debian.org/tags/old-papt-vcs (11 packages) https://lintian.debian.org/tags/old-dpmt-vcs (431 packages)

    Those packages have been fixed in git though, as Ondřej ran a script to
    fix all of them a while ago already.

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think keeping empty dirs
    does anything to the Salsa redirects though.

    I don't know, but I wasn't primarily thinking about people working internal to Debian (who might look at lintian output). I was more thinking about users (both ours and downstream). If they apt source <PKG> their debian/control will have the obsolete Vcs-Browser information. I think there should at least be a tombstone there for them to understand where the team went.

    I think this is much less relevant for #3 and #4 since they are more internally focused so some expectation that people will keep up with changes is more reasonable.

    Scott K

    Scott K

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