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  • Finalize Python 3.12. migration (Re: Proposal IRC meeting DPT)

    From Carsten Schoenert@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 29 20:00:01 2024
    Am 29.06.24 um 19:36 schrieb Soren Stoutner:
    Scott,

    On Saturday, June 29, 2024 8:58:09 AM MST Scott Kitterman wrote:
    I would say no. Distutils is going to be with us for quite some time, even >> though it's no longer part of the standard distribution.

    Scott K

    Can you please elaborate on this some more? As a maintainer of a couple of packages that use distutils in some fashion I would appreciate understanding the detail of what is happening with distutils in Debian.

    A lot of packages in the archive are depending on distutils but do not
    see any upstream updates over years.
    We could manage a migration to another Python build system "somehow",
    but then I think the time until the freeze is to short to fix all these packages if we wanted to drop distutils, beside the other work that is
    needed to be done until the hard freeze.

    --
    Regards
    Carsten

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  • From Jeremy Stanley@21:1/5 to Carsten Schoenert on Sat Jun 29 20:40:01 2024
    On 2024-06-29 19:42:13 +0200 (+0200), Carsten Schoenert wrote:
    [...]
    We could manage a migration to another Python build system
    "somehow", but then I think the time until the freeze is to short
    to fix all these packages if we wanted to drop distutils, beside
    the other work that is needed to be done until the hard freeze.

    What's the reasoning for a hard push to stop using distutils when
    it's shipped as part of python3-setuptools these days? I've seen no
    indication from the SetupTools developers that they intend to stop
    maintaining it any time soon. Sure it was removed from the CPython
    stdlib, but that's simply because CPython itself no longer relies on
    it for building. The idea was that it would be better maintained
    outside of the stdlib as part of an independent packaging library.
    --
    Jeremy Stanley

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  • From Emmanuel Arias@21:1/5 to Alexandre Detiste on Mon Jul 1 00:10:01 2024
    On Sat, Jun 29, 2024 at 10:08:46PM +0200, Alexandre Detiste wrote:
    Here I was precisely asking about the remaining open 46 bugs [0]
    that ask to remove the (mostly stale) "python3-distutils" dependencies.

    python3-distutils has been removed from Ubuntu since 24.04 [1]
    and a lot of these 46 packages carry there these single line patch: [2]
    while some Debian packages are not in Ubuntu at all too.

    Making these bugs RC now seems like a reasonable idea.
    Make sense.

    I think that we can tackle this (?). Searching this: `python3-distutils path:debian/control`
    I found around 90 packages.

    I don't know the steps to do this, but I think fill RC bugs and then
    propose a migration?

    Cheers,
    Emmanuel

    [0] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=python3.12;users=debian-python@lists.debian.org;include=subject%3Adistutils
    [1] https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python3-distutils
    [2] https://patches.ubuntu.com/d/docker-pycreds/docker-pycreds_0.3.0-1.1ubuntu1.patch


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