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  • OK to create a new package in "python-team/packages/"

    From c.buhtz@posteo.jp@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 15 08:40:02 2024
    Hi,
    for practicing packaging I start again with the docu and stumbled across
    this paragraph:


    <https://wiki.debian.org/Python/GitPackaging#Creating_new_repositories>

    It tells me to create a package in "python-team/packages/". I ask myself
    if I am allowed to and if it is a "good" idea?
    Technically I am allowed. And formally also because I am an formally
    accepted member of the DPT. But I wouldn't call me an active member
    despite asking dump questions and wining about the docu. ;)

    On the long run it is my goal to make the package [1] ready for official upload. But I suspect this is a long way. So on short view that repo
    will be for practicing only. Am I allowed to create such a repo in my
    position?

    Kind
    Christian

    [1] -- <https://codeberg.org/buhtz/hyperorg>

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  • From Carsten Schoenert@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 15 08:50:01 2024
    Am 15.03.24 um 08:31 schrieb c.buhtz@posteo.jp:

    On the long run it is my goal to make the package [1] ready for official upload. But I suspect this is a long way. So on short view that repo
    will be for practicing only. Am I allowed to create such a repo in my position?

    There is no need to start any packaging work within the Salsa group of
    the DPT. You can start any work within your namespace and move the
    package to any other group later if needed and appropriate.

    And within your namespace you can e.g. do force pushing if you feel you
    need to, within team space that's a no go.

    --
    Regards
    Carsten

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  • From Nicholas D Steeves@21:1/5 to Carsten Schoenert on Sat Mar 16 01:20:01 2024
    Carsten Schoenert <c.schoenert@t-online.de> writes:

    Am 15.03.24 um 08:31 schrieb c.buhtz@posteo.jp:

    On the long run it is my goal to make the package [1] ready for official
    upload. But I suspect this is a long way. So on short view that repo
    will be for practicing only. Am I allowed to create such a repo in my
    position?

    Christian, have you filed an ITP (intent to package) yet? If not,
    please do so as soon as you can.

    https://wiki.debian.org/ITP

    There is no need to start any packaging work within the Salsa group of
    the DPT. You can start any work within your namespace and move the
    package to any other group later if needed and appropriate.

    And within your namespace you can e.g. do force pushing if you feel you
    need to, within team space that's a no go.


    +1 Carsten, that's my recommendation too, same rationale, and I'd add
    that starting a project in personal namespace is zero risk.

    1. You have a remote backup of your work.
    2. You can do whatever you want with it (ie make branches and/or tags
    of experiments that may or may not work out, squash, rebase, force
    push--as noted--etc.)
    3. So it's lower stress and builds confidence faster than working
    directly in a team-managed namespace imho.
    4. Moving the repo during the sponsorship procedure can be a
    reassuring milestone.
    5. Doing Debian development "in the open" is sometimes an
    uncomfortable adjustment, and staging work in personal namespace is a
    more gentle path.

    Regards,
    Nicholas

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  • From c.buhtz@posteo.jp@21:1/5 to sten@debian.org on Sat Mar 16 13:30:02 2024
    Dear Nicholas,

    thanks for the reply.

    On 2024-03-15 20:13 Nicholas D Steeves <sten@debian.org> wrote:
    Christian, have you filed an ITP (intent to package) yet? If not,
    please do so as soon as you can.

    https://wiki.debian.org/ITP

    No I have not because it is to much pressure. I am testing and playing
    around and doing research about the packaging process. After this I can
    decided if I am able doing this and then fill an ITP.

    Kind
    Christian Buhtz

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  • From Stefano Rivera@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 6 09:50:32 2024
    Hi c.buhtz (2024.03.15_07:31:22_+0000)
    On the long run it is my goal to make the package [1] ready for official upload. But I suspect this is a long way. So on short view that repo will be for practicing only. Am I allowed to create such a repo in my position?

    I don't have a problem with staging an ITP in progress in the git repos.

    If you do create a repo and then never upload the package, please delete/archive the repo when you're done.

    Personally, I usually get the package ready to upload before creating a
    git repo in the team. I want to be sure that it's something maintainable
    that I want to take on, before I commit to it.

    The advice for doing it in your own salsa profile seems sensible. For a
    complex package that you aren't sure about adding to the team, that
    could make sense.

    Stefano

    --
    Stefano Rivera
    http://tumbleweed.org.za/
    +1 415 683 3272

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  • From c.buhtz@posteo.jp@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 6 09:52:49 2024
    Dear Stefano,

    thanks for the advice.

    Am 03.04.2024 16:48 schrieb Stefano Rivera:
    If you do create a repo and then never upload the package, please delete/archive the repo when you're done.

    Done.

    Personally, I usually get the package ready to upload before creating a
    git repo in the team.

    I believe you. But the Wiki states otherwise. There creating the salsa
    repo is the first step.

    Kind
    Christian

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