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  • Preparing for Python 3.12

    From Matthias Klose@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 7 11:50:01 2023
    Python 3.12 was released a month ago, and it's time to prepare for the
    update in unstable, first adding 3.12 as a supported version.


    There s a tracker for adding 3.12 as a supported version [1], also there
    are the first bug reports filed for issues related to 3.12 [2].


    As usual, it's difficult to find about issues in higher stages before
    building packages in lower/earlier stages of the transition.  Therefore
    we started again adding 3.12 in Ubuntu, and then filing and fixing
    issues in unstable before adding 3.12 in Debian unstable.


    This Ubuntu tracker can be seen at [3]. Note that i386 is only a partial architecture, and that Ubuntu doesn't run the tests on riscv64 during
    the build (so packages succeeding to build on riscv64 but not on the
    other architectures most likely show test failures instead of build
    failures).


    Ubuntu's update_excuses for python3-defaults also shows autopkg tests
    failing with 3.12 supported, although this information is a bit out of
    date, due to infrastructure issues for the autopkg testers.


    The plan is to make 3.12 supported in unstable at the end of November,
    or earlier if possible, so that other transitions aren't blocked by the addition of 3.12. Then planning for the defaults change in January. 
    While this timeline is not that much needed for 3.12, it will be a good exercise for 3.13, so that we get 3.13 as the default into the trixie
    release.


    Matthias


    [1] https://bugs.debian.org/1055085

    [2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=python3.12;users=debian-python@lists.debian.org

    [3] https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/transitions/html/python3.12-add-v2.html

    [4] https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#python3-defaults

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  • From Matthias Klose@21:1/5 to Thomas Goirand on Tue Nov 7 15:20:01 2023
    On 07.11.23 14:06, Thomas Goirand wrote:
    When 3.12 because an available version, it would help a lot to have
    someone like Lucas Nusbaumm to rebuild all reverse dependencies of
    Python. Is that something planned?

    No. A test rebuild with a stack of 12 dependency levels doesn't make
    much sense. You'll only get reasonable results for the first dependency
    level, not the other 11 levels.

    What we've done until now was to test the addition of 3.12 in a PPA,
    making sure that we can build up the dependency up to key packages like
    cython, numpy, test frameworks and others. After that, doing the work
    in the archive in a way that hopefully doesn't block other transitions
    too much.

    Also doing the whole work in a PPA or shadow archive is problematic, as
    you have to make sure that the PPA / shadow archive doesn't get out of
    sync with the normal archive. A challenge over time with 1000+ packages.

    I'm planning to ask Lucas for a normal test rebuild of unstable, once we
    have a reasonable amount of packages built with 3.12 in unstable. Bugs
    for these will be filed, but we probably have to usertag these our self.

    Matthias

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