• Seeking for porterbox

    From Dmitry Bogatov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 27 23:20:01 2016
    XPost: linux.debian.ports.68k

    Hello!

    I am looking for a way to reproduce arch-dependent bugs (#832544,
    #832543). There is no DSA porter boxes for none of hurd,m68k,sh4. Any suggestions what can I do about it?

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to Dmitry Bogatov on Thu Jul 28 14:30:01 2016
    XPost: linux.debian.ports.68k

    On 07/28/2016 01:17 PM, Dmitry Bogatov wrote:
    How can I connect to hurd box? Which login, which password?

    You need to apply for a guest account if you're not a Debian Developer.

    But you can also just install Debian/Hurd-i386 in a virtual machine,
    just use the images provided in [1].

    Adrian

    [1] http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports-cd/hurd-i386/current/

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to Dmitry Bogatov on Thu Jul 28 08:20:01 2016
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    Hi Dmitry!

    On 07/27/2016 10:14 PM, Dmitry Bogatov wrote:
    I am looking for a way to reproduce arch-dependent bugs (#832544,
    #832543). There is no DSA porter boxes for none of hurd,m68k,sh4. Any suggestions what can I do about it?

    For hurd-i386, there is exodar.debian.net which you can use [1].
    For m68k and sh4, you can currently use qemu, see [2] and [3].

    I'm planning to set up actual m68k and sh4 porterboxes in the future,
    but it's still on my TODO list. Please let me know if you need any
    further help or have any questions. I should be able to help with the
    majority of Debian ports architectures.

    Adrian

    [1] https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=exodar
    [2] https://wiki.debian.org/M68k/sbuildQEMU
    [3] https://wiki.debian.org/SH4/sbuildQEMU

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  • From Dmitry Bogatov@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 28 14:40:01 2016
    XPost: linux.debian.ports.68k

    Hi Dmitry!

    On 07/27/2016 10:14 PM, Dmitry Bogatov wrote:
    I am looking for a way to reproduce arch-dependent bugs (#832544,
    #832543). There is no DSA porter boxes for none of hurd,m68k,sh4. Any suggestions what can I do about it?

    For hurd-i386, there is exodar.debian.net which you can use [1].
    For m68k and sh4, you can currently use qemu, see [2] and [3].

    How can I connect to hurd box? Which login, which password?

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  • From Dmitry Bogatov@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 28 15:00:01 2016
    XPost: linux.debian.ports.68k

    [2016-07-28 13:29] John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>

    On 07/28/2016 01:17 PM, Dmitry Bogatov wrote:
    How can I connect to hurd box? Which login, which password?

    You need to apply for a guest account if you're not a Debian Developer.

    Since it is not DSA managed, I think I need to apply somewhere else. Where?

    But you can also just install Debian/Hurd-i386 in a virtual machine,
    just use the images provided in [1].

    I already downloaded it. I do not know how to configure networking
    with qemu, and would prefer to resolve my bugs without this knowledge,
    if possible.

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  • From Laurent Vivier@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 28 15:30:02 2016
    XPost: linux.debian.ports.68k

    Le 28/07/2016 à 13:37, Dmitry Bogatov a écrit :
    [2016-07-28 13:29] John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>

    On 07/28/2016 01:17 PM, Dmitry Bogatov wrote:
    How can I connect to hurd box? Which login, which password?

    You need to apply for a guest account if you're not a Debian Developer.

    Since it is not DSA managed, I think I need to apply somewhere else. Where?

    But you can also just install Debian/Hurd-i386 in a virtual machine,
    just use the images provided in [1].

    I already downloaded it. I do not know how to configure networking
    with qemu, and would prefer to resolve my bugs without this knowledge,
    if possible.

    You can use virt-manager or gnome-boxes to configure and run your machine.

    Laurent

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Kolbj=C3=B8rn_Barmen?=@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Tue Aug 2 00:50:02 2016
    XPost: linux.debian.ports.68k

    On Thu, 28 Jul 2016, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

    I'm planning to set up actual m68k and sh4 porterboxes in the future,

    I have for a long time had on my todo to put together a minimalistic
    ramdisk containing qemu or aranym, that essencially maps all the hosts
    hardware resources to the emulated system, so that when it all boots,
    it pretty much appears as a m68k system. Are your plans similar?

    Deploying m68k systems in the cloud, so much fun... hehe :)

    -- kolla

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 2 01:00:01 2016
    XPost: linux.debian.ports.68k

    On 08/01/2016 11:37 PM, Kolbjørn Barmen wrote:
    I have for a long time had on my todo to put together a minimalistic
    ramdisk containing qemu or aranym, that essencially maps all the hosts hardware resources to the emulated system, so that when it all boots,
    it pretty much appears as a m68k system. Are your plans similar?

    No, for SH4 I actually managed to acquire additional cheap hardware
    from Taiwan which I am going to add as buildds. I hope I will be
    able to get this done within the next two weeks.

    For m68k, I hope to see more powerful FPGA-based machines to come around
    in the future. There are already machines like the MiST available [1]
    which are reasonably fast but don't support anything beyond a 020
    without MMU yet, so I hope this is going to improve in the future.

    Adrian

    [1] http://lotharek.pl/product.php?pid=96

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Kolbj=C3=B8rn_Barmen?=@21:1/5 to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz on Tue Aug 2 01:40:02 2016
    XPost: linux.debian.ports.68k

    On Mon, 1 Aug 2016, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

    On 08/01/2016 11:37 PM, Kolbjørn Barmen wrote:
    I have for a long time had on my todo to put together a minimalistic ramdisk containing qemu or aranym, that essencially maps all the hosts hardware resources to the emulated system, so that when it all boots,
    it pretty much appears as a m68k system. Are your plans similar?

    No, for SH4 I actually managed to acquire additional cheap hardware
    from Taiwan which I am going to add as buildds. I hope I will be
    able to get this done within the next two weeks.

    Aha, neat!

    For m68k, I hope to see more powerful FPGA-based machines to come around
    in the future. There are already machines like the MiST available [1]
    which are reasonably fast but don't support anything beyond a 020
    without MMU yet, so I hope this is going to improve in the future.

    Well, that is funny, I am literally typing this email on a MIST, heh...

    https://kolla.egnyte.com/dl/DTC7bWWg4R - got an RPi Zero built in, serial connection between them, the MIST acting as console host for the zero :)
    (and the RPi zero acting as login host, clock sync, zmodem transfers,
    and occationally PPP gateway, for the MIST)

    I hope you are right, and that there will be FPGAs fast and cheap enough,
    and m68k cores that are compatible enough to run Linux/m68k.

    I presume you are aware of the the Apollo core (aka 68080)? It is quite
    fast already, but it is not clear (AFAIK) whether there will be an MMU,
    and if so, how compatible with existing m68k MMUs it will be. And ditto
    for FPU.

    Anyways - some time I hope to be able to easily deploy m68k systems in the cloud, through some minimalist qemu setup.

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  • From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 2 02:00:01 2016
    XPost: linux.debian.ports.68k

    On 08/02/2016 12:33 AM, Kolbjørn Barmen wrote:
    Well, that is funny, I am literally typing this email on a MIST, heh...

    https://kolla.egnyte.com/dl/DTC7bWWg4R - got an RPi Zero built in, serial connection between them, the MIST acting as console host for the zero :)
    (and the RPi zero acting as login host, clock sync, zmodem transfers,
    and occationally PPP gateway, for the MIST)

    That's pretty cool, but as long as these machines have no chances of
    running Linux, I'm not willing to spend 200 Euro per unit.

    I hope you are right, and that there will be FPGAs fast and cheap enough,
    and m68k cores that are compatible enough to run Linux/m68k.

    Yeah, *crosses fingers*.

    I presume you are aware of the the Apollo core (aka 68080)? It is quite
    fast already, but it is not clear (AFAIK) whether there will be an MMU,
    and if so, how compatible with existing m68k MMUs it will be. And ditto
    for FPU.

    68080? Are you sure about that number?

    Anyways - some time I hope to be able to easily deploy m68k systems in the cloud, through some minimalist qemu setup.

    Well, as you may know qemu-m68k still needs work [1], so if you want to help, please look into improving it before it gets merged into qemu main.

    Adrian

    [1] https://github.com/vivier/qemu-m68k/issues

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