On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 at 16:18:06 -0400, Jeremy Bícha wrote:

The list of people who can accept magpie into Debian is small and I
have no estimate how long its review will take.

I had been thinking that if magpie doesn't get through NEW by the time
the time_t transition is out of the way, we should ask for budgie-desktop
to be removed from testing as part of a GNOME 45 transition. I don't want
to be removing a working desktop environment, and it isn't really fair
on the Budgie contributors, but I also don't think it's sustainable for gnome-shell (popcon: ~ 60K) to be held hostage by Budgie (popcon: ~ 400).

It's a pity that we only have one experimental, but if we make a note of
the last-known versions as of just before work on Shell 46 starts, it would still be possible to get 45 into unstable if 46 isn't ready.

smcv

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Updating GNOME Shell in Unstable is still waiting on magpie to be
accepted into Debian. The Budgie desktop has created magpie as a fork
of mutter 43. Once magpie is available, we can update GNOME Shell and
Mutter without needing Budgie to be ported to the new Mutter first.

GNOME 46 will be released on Wednesday.

The list of people who can accept magpie into Debian is small and I
have no estimate how long its review will take. I figure we might as
well skip 45 at this point and start working on getting GNOME Shell 46
ready. I want to push Mutter and GNOME Shell 46 to Experimental now.

This does mean we basically start over with updating extensions to the
new release. Fortunately, 46 was not as disruptive as 45 but
extensions will need to at least bump their supported versions. Other
changes may be needed too: https://gjs.guide/extensions/upgrading/gnome-shell-46.html

Although GNOME Shell 46.0 is not yet as stable as GNOME Shell 45.4,
both Fedora 40 and Ubuntu 24.04 LTS are expected to ship 46.0 in their
initial stable releases soon.

Thank you,
Jeremy Bícha

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On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 4:50 PM Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> wrote:

I had been thinking that if magpie doesn't get through NEW by the time
the time_t transition is out of the way, we should ask for budgie-desktop
to be removed from testing as part of a GNOME 45 transition. I don't want
to be removing a working desktop environment, and it isn't really fair
on the Budgie contributors, but I also don't think it's sustainable for gnome-shell (popcon: ~ 60K) to be held hostage by Budgie (popcon: ~ 400).

It's a pity that we only have one experimental, but if we make a note of
the last-known versions as of just before work on Shell 46 starts, it would still be possible to get 45 into unstable if 46 isn't ready.

Oh, I didn't realize Budgie popcon was so low. It's probably hurt by
not being an official Debian desktop task. Looking at it that way,
maybe we should have pushed GNOME Shell in sooner.

I think it's a reasonable prediction that GNOME Shell 46 will be "good
enough" by the time the time_t transition clears.

Thank you,
Jeremy Bícha

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