• Re: Source / Original Latin for: To Dare, To Will, To Know, To Keep sil

    From Raul Vieytes@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 5 11:10:10 2023
    El miércoles, 28 de junio de 2000 a la(s) 04:00:00 UTC-3, William C Waterhouse escribió:
    In article <3951BFEE...@nospam.polito.it>,
    Filippo Nieddu <nie...@nospam.polito.it> writes:
    Dr. Axel Bergmann wrote:
    the 'original' Latin wording is "Scire. Potere. Audere. Tacere. ZOROASTER"
    according to


    which is a site composed completeley in Tchechian, a language I don't understand -- but it seems that it attributes that wording to a certain FULCANELLI.

    He must be the guy who said that the word 'gothic' has a weird origin:
    from 'argotique' (the French 'argot' is a language whose words are
    obtained by permutations of groups of letter with euphonic effects) we
    have 'art gotique'. ...
    Yes, that seems to be right; the Czech title given for the source
    seems to mean "The Mystery of Cathedral(s)". Our library contains
    a 1964 edition of this book, originally (the book says) published
    in 1922; the full title is
    Le myste`re des cathe'drales et l'interpre'tation e'sote'rique
    des symboles herme'tiques du grand oeuvre
    (and "Fulcanelli" is listed in the catalog as a pseudonym).
    These four (not quite) Latin words occur, with attribution to
    "Zoroastre", as the epigraph to the "Conclusion" (page 223 in
    this edition); no further source is given. "Fulcanelli" clearly
    does write "potere" and in bold letters translates it into
    French as "POUVOIR".
    Considering the profusion of pseudonyms used by authors in this
    sort of "occult" writing, I think it unlikely that the "Zoroaster"
    involved here is the ancient Persian writer.

    William C. Waterhouse
    Penn State

    Well, I'm argentine and got this book of “Fulcanelli” in Spanish, titled “El misterio de las catedrales”, nice edition by Plaza & Janes, Barcelona (first 1967; mine, the sixth, 1973). But is not here where I’ve found that formula first written,
    but in a pretty former text, “Dogme et rituel de la haute magie”, published in 1861 in Paris, by Germer Baillière Ed. You can download it at https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_lxQRrFze2A0C/page/n1/mode/2up?q=taire. There, some “Éliphas Lévi”,
    another pope of esotericism, says (Page n116): “Savoir, oser, vouloir, se taire, voilà les quatre verbes du mage qui sont écrits dans les quatre formes symboliques du sphinx”. So is probable that it was first French, then traduced to Latin to make
    it look archaic, then Fulcanelli changed “vouloir” to “potere”… But why? Who knows, mistery :P Maybe in the 1960s there were more fascination about the “Power” -a post atomic bomb symptom- and in 1861 the occultists believed the “Will”
    was more intriguing pour les bourgeoises (the huge influence of Schopenhauer, at the time?).

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  • From Rich Alderson@21:1/5 to Raul Vieytes on Fri May 5 21:09:30 2023
    Raul Vieytes <raul.vieytes4@gmail.com> writes:

    El mi=C3=A9rcoles, 28 de junio de 2000 a la(s) 04:00:00 UTC-3, William C Waterhouse escribi=C3=B3:

    Did you notice that you were replying to a post that was nearly 23 years old?

    Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
    Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
    omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.

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