• Greek language question/Nicene Creed

    From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 28 21:12:56 2023
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    In the original Greek of the Nicene Creed the word that is
    usually translated as 'almighty` is 'pantokratora', which
    someone on soc.religion.christian told me is better translated
    as 'All Governing'

    However, in that, does the All mean the region all/everything
    of instead all someones?

    I ask since I define my top deity or Deity Goddess as
    the ruler of the region all/everything, and I think
    She is equivalent to the Nicene Creed God. (I view
    Her as having all eight sexual harmonics, which I
    discuss on my Salmon on the Thorns webpage, but I
    don't include that in Her definition.)

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "And now the angry morning; Gives the early signs of warning; You must face alone the plans you make; Decisions they will try to break" (S. McLachlan)

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 29 10:04:00 2023
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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 30 06:11:12 2023
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    XPost: alt.fan.countries.greece, soc.culture.greek

    On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 21:12:56 -0330, David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com>
    wrote:

    In the original Greek of the Nicene Creed the word that is
    usually translated as 'almighty` is 'pantokratora', which
    someone on soc.religion.christian told me is better translated
    as 'All Governing'

    However, in that, does the All mean the region all/everything
    of instead all someones?

    Almighty is a literal translation of the Greek "pantokrator", but in
    English there are two words, with different connotations -- the
    Anglo-Saxon "almighty" and bthe Latinate "omnipotent" -- the latter
    gets atheists' knickers in several knots.

    But "pantokrator" is the Greek translation of the Hebrew "YHWH
    Sabaoth", which is also rendered into English as "LORD of Hosts", or,
    in one modern translation, "Lord of Heaven's Armies".

    In the Old Testament, and in the creed, it indicates that YHWH is
    ontologically different from all the gods. The one who is "almighty"
    is the maker of all things (not just someones), whether visible (as in
    planets, stars, suns, trees, waterfalls, cephalopods, quadrupeds etc)
    and invisible (as in gods, demons, angels, fairies, microwaves etc).

    It speaks of the difference between creator and creature. See Psalm
    81/82.





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